Are there any (livable 🥺) countries that basically allow anyone to become a citizen? Specifically where an English speaker could get by.
Edit: by allowing anyone I mean poor people with no skills.
Well, “liveable” is going to be somewhat-subjective.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_border
Examples of open borders
Svalbard
Uniquely, the Norwegian special territory of Svalbard is an entirely visa-free zone. No person requires a visa or residence permit and anyone may live and work in Svalbard indefinitely, regardless of citizenship. The Svalbard Treaty grants treaty nationals equal right of abode as Norwegian nationals. So far, non-treaty nationals have been admitted visa-free as well. “Regulations concerning rejection and expulsion from Svalbard” are in force on a non-discriminatory basis. Grounds for exclusion include lack of means of support, and violation of laws or regulations.[52][53][54] Same-day visa-free transit at Oslo Airport is possible when travelling on non-stop flights to Svalbard.
That’s not citizenship, but it’s living and working there without restriction, which is probably about as good as someone’s going to get in the present day. But it’s probably colder than most people would like.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard
Approximately 60% of the archipelago is covered with glaciers, and the islands feature many mountains and fjords. The archipelago has an Arctic climate, although with significantly higher temperatures than other areas at the same latitude. The flora has adapted to take advantage of the long period of midnight sun to compensate for the polar night. Many seabirds use Svalbard as a breeding ground, and it is home to polar bears, reindeer, the Arctic fox, and certain marine mammals. Seven national parks and 23 nature-reserves cover two-thirds of the archipelago, protecting the largely untouched fragile environment.
EDIT: And income looks pretty solid, even by Western standards:
In 2006, the average income for economically active people was 494,700 kroner, 23% higher than on the mainland.
Converting to 2006 USD and then rolling forward inflation to December 2023, that’d be ~$110,463.54/year.
But part of the reason that they’re gonna be paying that is because the people living there are gonna have to be living in polar twilight for a hefty chunk of the year.
Yeah but do they have highspeed internet?
When it isn’t being cut, they have submarine cables to Norway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svalbard_Undersea_Cable_System
The Svalbard Undersea Cable System is a twin submarine communications cable which connects Svalbard to the mainland of Norway. The two optical fiber cable consist of two segments, from Harstad to Breivika in Andøy, and from Breivika to Hotellneset near Longyearbyen in Svalbard. The segments from Harstad to Breivika are 74 and 61 kilometers (46 and 38 mi) long, respectively, and the segments from Breivika to Hotellneset 1,375 and 1,339 kilometers (854 and 832 mi). Each consists of eight fiber pairs and there are twenty optical communications repeaters on each segment. Each segment has a speed of 10 gigabits per second (Gb/s), with a future potential capacity of 2,500 Gbit/s. The system is now the sole telecommunications link to the archipelago.
There’s apparently 5G service:
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/5g-norway/
The company began Scandinavia’s first 5G pilot back in November 2018, conducted Norway’s first 5G video call, and launched the world’s northernmost 5G pilot in Svalbard. Telenor chose Nordic company Ericsson over Chinese firm Huawei to supply the critical infrastructure for the rollout.
I don’t know whether Starlink orbital paths can cover that far north.
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Apparently so, and they started service about five months ago.
Starlink Launches in Svalbard: A New Era of Internet Connectivity in the Arctic.
Hmm. Though that being said, global warming will cause glaciers to retreat, so it’ll probably be more-ice-free in the future than it is now.
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And it looks like Svalbard, in particular, is warming up quickly.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63387233
Experts from the Norwegian Polar Institute are among those who calculate it is heating six times faster than the global average.
The consensus is that the temperature in Svalbard has jumped 4C in the past 50 years.
Well, everything is terrible when you subject it to the realities of our modern world. Just turn off that part of your mind for a few moments and enjoy the idea.
everything is terrible
I’d guess that warming is probably long-term advantageous in terms of human habitation of Svalbard. We’re not really glacier-dwelling critters. Probably sucks if you’re a polar bear, but…
Also, in general, if you have legal residence long-term in a country, most countries do permit a route to obtain citizenship. Norway does appear to do this too (though it’s not a guaranteed right, and you need to learn Norwegian as part of that process). Thing is, I don’t know whether legal residence in Svalbard – which is a Norwegian territory, but not part of Norway proper – counts as legal residence in Norway for naturalization purposes, and I could very much believe that that is not the case.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_nationality_law
Foreigners may become Norwegian nationals by application after residing in the country for at least seven of the previous ten years, while holding a work or residence permit valid for at least one year. Applicants must be at least 12 years old, demonstrate proficiency in the Norwegian or Sami language (or alternatively complete 300 hours of Norwegian language courses), intend to reside in Norway permanently, pass a good character requirement, and not have a criminal record.[11]
Thinking of an analog, I know that in the US, American Samoa is unusual in that while it is a US territory, American Samoa wanted to run their own immigration policy (because there are people in (non-American) Samoa who they wanted to be able to move in). Both the US and American Samoa were willing for American Samoa to be a US territory, but the US wasn’t willing to have American Samoa just be a back door to general entry to the US if they had different immigration policy. Normally, in an American territory – like Puerto Rico, say – the residents are American citizens. However, because of this independent immigration policy that American Samoa runs, based on the arrangement that the US and American Samoa worked out, American Samoans are not actually American citizens – they are American nationals. While generally they can live and work in the rest of the US, just the fact that American Samoa is okay with someone moving to American Samoa and has the right to let people in as they choose doesn’t necessarily mean that the same person can use that status to just bounce from there to legal status in the rest of the US.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Norway has similar restrictions on people bouncing via legal residence in Svalbard to broader Norway, because the situations are somewhat-similar.
EDIT: Yup.
https://www.lifeinnorway.net/living-on-svalbard/
It’s also important to understand that time spent living in Svalbard does not count towards residence in Norway. That means that if you’ve lived in Svalbard for two years, those two years will not count towards a permanent residence application in Norway.
If you’re American, you should keep your nationality. Instead, apply for work visa and later, permanent residency at your host country. Reason being, the American citizenship makes the local government think twice about sending you to the gulag etc plus you could seek refuge at a US Embassy anywhere around the world. If you migrate to Aus or NZ, they don’t particularly care that you have two citizenships, so you can become a citizen there but secretly don’t tell the US gov. Bear in mind, you have to pay US taxes as a citizen even if abroad.
Regarding a country to move to, try Japan and become an “English Teacher”. Japanese schools regularly take in native English speakers not so much as English teachers, but more of a cultural exchange teacher. There’s a very low qualifications requirements but be aware that you will be assigned to some school in bumfuck nowhere rice fields. Go search for vids on youtube about this topic.
The US is one of a hand full of countries that require you to pay income tax on money earned abroad. If you are a US citizen that has moved to another country and received citizenship there, and you aren’t worried about having “the local government send you to the gulag”, then renouncing your US citizenship is probably the best financial decision you can make. Caveat: they make you pay up front when renouncing for all of the potential tax they would have earned from you had you stayed a citizen abroad for the rest of your life.
What the fuck. So lets say, if the country to move to has a minimum income, then you will have to pay the tax for atleast the minimum income until retirement? Am I getting this right?
Yes, but its not as aggressive as it seems: 1) the US gives a tax-free amount up to ~$100,000 earned abroad, and 2) that’s after deducting the tax you paid to the country you earned it in (as an example, say you earned $100,000 abroad and paid 30% tax, you’d only have to report $70,000, and because that 70k is below the tax-free amount (in the $100k neighborhood), you don’t owe any additional tax in the US.
HOWEVER, the tax-free break is only given if you file your taxes. If the IRS decides you need to be audited, and you didn’t file (because you live in a different country and think it’s absurd to have to file taxes to a country you didn’t earn that money in), you lose the tax free amount (which basically means you can be double taxed).
The decision to let anyone in is typically a move a country makes because it’s going through population decline. Think Iceland, South Africa, Sicily, Pitcairn… the last of these would be the most rewarding.
Very seldomly does a good country just let anyone in, not just because it doesn’t want to be so generous but also because it doesn’t want to be exploited by people who realize that a good country is letting anyone pass.
Try southeast asia. Lower cost of living and can get by with english. As others have said, you can’t just go apply for citizenship. You’ll have to become a permanent resident first, and you need to work and live there for a while to do that.
I know that Georgia is very lenient on maximum stay, 364 days a year and any day outside of the country the days are reset. You’re essentially a citizen that has to take mandatory annual vacations.
Tblisi is pretty well developed from what I have heard and it’s a very safe and peaceful place (ignoring 2008 >:( ). It’s still pretty poor compared to developed countries, so despite that human development is decent, you won’t be able to afford as many foreign products (especially tech).
Georgian food is amazing. Also tblisi is a really cool city.
Just finding a job elsewhere in your own country might be a better option, plenty of smaller towns with cheap rents and businesses looking to hire…
As someone who grew up in and still has family in a small town (5-10k pop) - Things may be cheaper but no one’s paying livable wages even for these small towns.
Depends where you live and if there’s a minimum of labor laws. With the minimum wage around here I could easily afford a one bedroom apartment in the town I live in and I probably wouldn’t have any reason to work minimum wage since there’s an industrial sector in the town with businesses looking for staff. 7k in population, so services available including an hospital…
Usually you have to be a resident for a number of years before being eligible for citizenship. Often the process is faster and easier if you meet minimum income or wealth thresholds, because countries like hosting rich expats.
https://immigrantinvest.com/blog/easy-residency-countries-en/
https://www.escapeartist.com/blog/6-countries-easy-get-residency-visa/
Yeah that’s the problem. I’m a broken loser.
Finding a job in your own country will be a far more better, easier and comfortable option, please consider doing that.
Why are you against learning the language of the place where you want to go? Immigrating is hard, and it’s even harder if you’re in a new place by yourself and can’t even speak the local language. You’re going to struggle a lot that way.
Poor people. Isn’t that like 95% of the population these days? 😭
Wait, are you in this situation right now? (Could this be the next Lemmy No Poop Challenge!?)
How much money are you bringing with you? There are countries that offer golden visa programs to the wealthy. Some of them may still have residency requirements (e.g. live there for x years) but otherwise it would basically allow anyone with money to become a citizen, or at the bare minimum obtain a visa to live there.
Yeah… Not enough… Barely any.
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If you cross the US Mexico boarder by land they don’t check your passport, but you’ll have a rough go of it if you don’t speak Spanish. Might still be better than staying in the US though. And since Spanish is a European language you’ll have an easier time than other countries
Try France.
