I’m planning a campaign loosely where players have to fight enemies backed by a larger, scarier empire that frequently sends out their agents to try to assassinate them while they try to setup a new kingdom post-revolution (think the beginning of Game of Thrones where players are on the Small Council, but they’re also sort of Danaerys trying to fend off the spies and assassins of the enemy kingdom’s Varys).
I want there to be a lot of cloak and dagger stuff. The players will probably have to protect themselves and fellow members of the court, the monarch (whether it’s a player or NPC), allied diplomats, and such from assassins while also rooting out spies. Those resulting battles, along with adventures that I’ll incorporate with diplomatic missions abroad, are what will make it DnD.
But it occurred to me as I was planning the worldbuilding for this campaign that a lot of the danger of assassinations will be lost if they can be undone by resurrection magic. Then I started wondering how kings, organization leaders, criminal syndicate bosses, basically anyone important ever dies in any high fantasy DnD world. For players I can restrict their access to diamonds or whatever, but for NPC’s who are rich and powerful, not sure if that makes much sense. Besides, it’s okay of players have access to the magic, but I want NPCs to be threatened by it, because it adds drama and stakes to the story I’m planning. But if players have access to it, then basically no NPC around them is in danger either, and I lose a lot of the tension I was counting on.
So looking for advice on how you would solve this. Tl;dr: How would anyone important or rich die in your fantasy world from stuff that are not old age? (assuming you want a fantasy world like I do where death is a dangerous possibility)
Restrict the resurrection spells? Restrict diamonds even more so they’re rare even for kings? Manipulate the religion or cosmology of your world somehow? Do something with the resurrection spells themselves, like like Matthew Mercer’s optional rules? Something else?
There’s two obvious loopholes in the spell that don’t require any DM fuckery.
The first is that the soul of the target must be “free and willing”.
The willing part is very important. Who says anyone wants to be brought back? There’s a bunch of afterlife options in d&d, but many of those are quite nice. If a soul, no matter how its body died, is happy and loving where they are, they can just refuse the call of resurrection .
The other canon option is about the “free” part. There are things (demons, and others) that can entrap a soul. It would take fairly little for that to become known to players who might then arrange for such to happen.
That’s just the spell itself, no need to have ways that the resurrection spell casting is blocked unless you want it to be other reasons.
Other answers have already covered the best options in that regard; deific intervention being the most powerful option. A god with an objection to this empire could make it difficult to impossible for anyone to be resurrected, even if it came down to making deals with gods of death and the afterlife.
I particularly liked the idea of a weapon that kills, turns the victim undead, and then kills the undead. It isn’t technically going to bypass resurrection by RAW, but it isn’t a stretch to do DM’s option of world building to make it RAW for your setting.
But you can go the route of the spell itself being blocked. Counter magic exists. The weapon that another comment suggested for turning them undead could instead just lay a counter to resurrection. Something that uses the same mechanics as countering a spell.
Those are some good points other people haven’t brought up yet. The soul entrapment can be a cool plot device used by the antagonist to up the stakes or something gods can do on a whim when someone they especially like or hate enters their realms.
And the importance of being willing to come back can be applicable in many scenarios as well. For my world, perhaps it gives a sense of enlightenment, perspective, and makes problems seem smaller, like when people look at the Earth from space (to make the after life even more tempting even to people who have families and unfinished business). Or it might not be necessary if the world already sucks and the after life is nice lol.
I love that bit, about it being like seeing earth from space. I can see that being a really great scene when the players eventually figure out that part, if it gets used. Done right, it could be one of those lifetime memories for the group.
You think Henchmen #4 is getting the royal treatment after he died falling down the stairs cause his helmet was on backwards? Fuhgetaboutit. You want to take a shot at the king? You’d better not miss (and make it so he can’t get back up). They shouldn’t worry about cutting through the rabble as they wouldn’t warrant such special treatment. A good assassination plot would include measures to ensure the target stays dead. Even True Resurrection requires the soul to be free and willing. Soul can’t be free if it was put in a soul cage. Perhaps they made a deal with the devil at some point with their soul on the line.
Just random suggestions:
Normally that’s exactly how it works. But then, someone important gets killed, and nothing can be done to resurrect them. No spells, no deity intervention. They’re just gone and their corpse is there.
Kinda weird, but lots of stuff happens, things are busy. Then a month later it happens again. And the guy it happened to is important (captain of the city guard / head of the museum? / head of the wizard school). It’s enough that it’s genuinely weird and people get concerned.
The third time, they intercept the assassin. Depending on how right the party plays their cards, maybe they’re able to capture and interrogate the person, or there’s a particularly weird magical artifact.
The fourth time it’s one of the party that’s being targeted. Maybe have for-real death with no resurrection as the consequence at hand to give the adventure stakes as things ramp up.
Etc etc, you can see where it’s going. The “explanation” could be a few different things, but I actually wouldn’t make it clear to the party right away. Maybe the people are being kidnapped, and perfect fake-corpses through some magical means are left behind. Maybe they’re on another plane. Maybe it’s just some permadeath spell that someone researched in the fantasy-Manhattan-project of the empire your party’s going up against, and part of the climax is them destroying the spell because some things are better left unknown.
Etc etc. Something along those lines is how I would handle it and then just see how it plays out. Hopefully this is useful.
This is really useful! Great stuff. Very dramatic, tense, mysterious, which is perfect for the atmosphere I’m going for. I’d say I need to take notes but I can always refer back to this post luckily lol.
Thanks! One caveat: I realized that if you try to have “destroying the spell” as the climax, 99.9% of DND parties will keep the spell so they can use it on their enemies. Normally I kind of like having the party involved in pivotal events, and penciling in my expected reaction and improv-ing a path forward if they don’t do what I expected, but in this case I’m just saying I’d expect them to treat the spell as treasure. IDK, maybe that’s fine; death is functionally permanent for most NPCs anyway, so it wouldn’t be some bad game-balance-tilting thing for them to have. But maybe if you want to go that route, it’d be better for the spell to be destroyed in the conflagration of the stronghold or destroyed by an NPC… in any case, you can figure it out.
Glad you liked the idea! 😀
This may not work with the campaign you want to run but having resurrection work very well, to the point that there is starting to be an uprising of the “common folk” for a change. That because of this spell there is a small but growing distaste for the ruling class and its starting show up in altercations and small fights that could easily transition into something bigger.
I could definitely add the hoarding of resurrection magic by the rich as a reason for the revolution in the first place that led to the players gaining control of this kingdom. Thanks for that! Didn’t even think of that lol
I’m just a weirdo who just likes dnd memes but doesn’t actually play, so no idea if this is possible… but could you have some kind of magic item or potion that causes extremely rapid aging? Like the guy who choose poorly in Indiana Jones? True Resurrection doesn’t work on someone who died of old age.
Or kidnap them and have a ghost Horrifying Visage them until they die of old age?
Well this is also a worldbuilding exercise for me and anyone else who wants to join in this thread, so ya, anything is possible! That’s a scary way for someone to die lol. It’s a cool idea for a magical poison, but I could also see a cursed item left for a would-be victim doing the job. That could even lead to a mystery, like Tom Riddle’s Diary in The Chamber of Secrets.
I think deities are an option. Perhaps a non-mortal being won’t permit the healing/resurrection of a monarch for one arbitrary reason or another. It could be that the assassin is ordained by said deity.
Or maybe something that happened to the person at their death or after death made the one who died want to stay dead? The soul’s willingness to return to the body is a key requirement you can use for lore around resurrection.
Just a couple of thoughts.
I definitely like the idea of doing something with the gods in this way. Like maybe they like keeping such important people in the afterlife and are less prone to returning them unless there’s a good reason for it (like the players on a journey to the underworld or something). Or they forbid resurrecting people for balance of the world reasons.
It could also just be regular protocol for assassin’s to burn bodies. There could even be certain poisons that disintegrate the body as part of their effects.
Great idea with the poison that melts the body! Very cool idea.
I would personally go with a magical mcguffin. My first thoughts would be a magic dagger. Maybe a small “ceremonial” pendant type. Discovering it, could be a useful plot device, both in that it exists (and so a marker for high level assassins) and how it works.
As for how it works, as an idea, when stabbed into a dead body, it does something nasty/scary to the body. E.g. it contains a drop of vampire blood, and a tiny vial of holy water. The body is raised as a vampire, and then immediately killed by the holy water. This breaks the link needed for resurrection. It could also contain a single drop of the essence of a god of death. Resurrection simply won’t work on anyone “infected”. This could be particularly scary if an assassin uses his dying act to stab a PC in the leg. He’s not dead, but now can never be resurrected.
There’s a lot of mileage in investigating the source of the mcguffins. Do they have the body of a dead god? Are they holding a vampire lord captive (or led by one)? Is it a mercenary cult, or a core political power?
These are some cool magic macguffin ideas. I like that they imply cool, other NPCs and plot points - like a vampire NPC or an evil, scary Cleric helping out the antagonist. Thanks for the help! Let me know if you have any more neat ideas lol
I’ve been plotting out some ideas for what is essentially the inverse of your campaign for some months now. My players will be an elite group of saboteurs and seditionists sent to the capital city of some evil empire in order to bring it down from the inside, however best they see fit.
I ran into the same problem you did. If this empire is ostensibly so powerful, wealthy, and influential, then why couldn’t they just resurrect anyone important?
I realise it’s not quite as exciting as the other answers, but ultimately I did decide that I’ll just heavily restrict the resurrection spells. Resurrection will be theoretically possible, but in the setting, the only known way of accomplishing it is with a powerful and limited-use artifact locked deep away within the empire’s vaults. Destroying it or stealing it would be a very good avenue for the players to pursue in order to destabilise the establishment.
On the players’ side, should I ever actually get the campaign off the ground, I’ll tell them that resurrection spells will not be generally allowed to pick for level ups. I think I would be ok with them spending significant time and effort, maybe a chain of quests, to discover the spells themselves if that’s what they’re truly interested in and think will advance their cause, but with the warning that if word gets out it will paint a massive target on their backs since that kind of power could completely reshape the worldwide political landscape.
Hopefully, in addition to solving the problem of making sure their high-profile assassinations actually stick, this policy would also encourage the players to play a bit cautiously and generally keep the stakes high.
Anyway, all this to say, shaping the rules and lore of your world to more precisely fit the experience you are trying to provide makes a lot of sense to me, and is worth considering. As long as you get buy-in from the players up front, of course. Good luck with it!
Thanks! It’s also an interesting idea. I could imagine the evil emperor keeping the limited use artifact in his vaults being saved only for him if he dies before an heir, or for a future heir to use otherwise.
Players could even obtain a similar, limited use magic item in that kind of campaign. Like the equivalent of Scrolls of resurrection would be an amazing, treasured reward from dungeons and quests if there’s no other way to learn resurrection spells.
Also, good luck with your campaign, too!
