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    Which reminds me that Kevin Sorbo tried pushing for the Jan 6 insurrection and after it failed, he deleted the posts and said it was an Antifa plot to frame Donald Trump.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/1bcc017d-49ea-4465-bf8e-9f21600f58b3.jpeg

    Or this lol

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/9e3eb388-6a35-4c70-9edb-14d328928f54.jpeg

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      Reminder that QAnon Shaman is running for Congress in Arizona’s 8th district as a Libertarian. That doesn’t exactly describe a leftist agitator.

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          He should be but the 14th Amendment keeps him out only if he previously took an oath to the Constitution. You can go all out full shooting war against the federal government but as long as you weren’t already elected or appointed or whatever, you’re still eligible.

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          funny thing about that, that’s the question in front of the supreme court currently

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        Last thing I heard from him was he (or his mother?) were complaining about the lack of vegan organic food in prison or something? Do I remember this correctly?

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        Reminder that just because somebody runs as something doesn’t mean that they are that thing. I can guarantee you that dipshit has no idea what the non-aggression principle is.

        Furthermore, libertarianism is not a left right spectrum ideology. There are left libertarians. There are centrist libertarians, and there are right libertarians.

        For reference, authoritarianism also bounds the spectrums of left to right.

        Left to right is economic theory authoritarian to libertarian is social theory. They are two separate axises.

        In my opinion, the shaman dude is definitely somewhere on the right side of the chart in the authoritarian section.

        Sincerely, a. Centrist and minarchist.

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          Furthermore, libertarianism is not a left right spectrum ideology

          In theory, maybe. In practice, though, if an American claims to be a libertarian, in my experience they’re more than likely either a republican that knows they can’t get laid while calling themselves a republican, or a republican that likes weed(or both)

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            But your personal frame of reference is not the definition. Clearly, this shaman person is a Republican pretending to be a libertarian. So call them out on the bullshit instead of allowing them to hide under a banner of a party that is not theirs with ideals that they do not represent.

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              I never said it was the definition, but the definition is besides the point as far as I am concerned; I’m not a libertarian, so I frankly don’t care what libertarians “actually” believe, I don’t care if the word is being “co-opted” or whatever.

              What matters to me is that the vast, VAST majority of people I meet and know of that claim to be libertarian are awful people; so yes, my initial assumption when someone claims to be a libertarian, until proven otherwise, is they’re not a good person.

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                While I understand your position, I would have to completely disagree with it on principle. If you sub in any word besides libertarian, you’ll see what I mean. In my opinion, you should care for accurate definitions in order for us to all maintain a common understanding and a productive straightforward discourse.

                “What matters to me is that the vast, VAST majority of people I meet and know of that claim to be French are awful people; so yes, my initial assumption when someone claims to be a French, until proven otherwise, is they’re not a good person.”

                /S

                Then to continue the example let’s pretend every French person you have ever met is actually from Paris and not any other part of the country.

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                  Big problem with your example, you don’t choose to be French, you either are or you are not. You can be french and be an asshole, but the only choice there is in being an asshole. Being a libertarian on the otherhand, is a political position and is inherently something you have to choose to be.

                  Consider this: Prior to the Nazis using it, in western usage the Swastika was widely considered a symbol of good luck. The West boiling centuries of Eastern religious and cultural history of the symbol down into superstitious BS aside, by all accounts, at the time that would be an “accurate definition” of what the Swastika meant in the west. But obviously nobody today is going to believe you* when you say your Swastika tattoo is a good luck charm and you’re “totally” not a Nazi. Hell, you’d be in potential legal trouble in Germany for it. Point is, all words(& symbols) are made up, and meanings can and will change.

                    • (figurative you, I’m not claiming you actually have a Swastika tattoo)
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                  If all previous experiences are negative and the actual definition seems outlandish, that’s a valid opinion. It’s not your fault if you never learned of non-negative examples.
                  The only question is how to apply this bias. The harm in assuming libertarians as Republican doesn’t seem critical to me. I haven’t made any other experiences so maybe I’m just as biased.
                  But maybe you’re simply the only one living your non-right interpretation/definition of libertarianism. I’d have to hear your point of views to actually believe it.

                  *I’ve read some things about ‘true’ libertarianism in the past but couldn’t find any community living it. It’s like all those guys on hexbear preaching to be the most loving people while spewing hate and fascist opinions wherever they can.
                  Most of the Republicans seem to be so far right that those few moderate-right Republicans would have to distance themselves clearly to actually represent their position. If you distance yourself from all those “LINOS” (do I have to give Trump credit for this?) that others and me see everywhere, then you might be rather alone, I’d wager.

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      You have to wonder how much of this is Sorbo’s conservative brainrot and how much is being a paid conservative influencer, because this is disinformation agent type shit.

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        He’s solely responsible for running Andromeda into the ground with his massive ego. It was never a terrific show in season one, but it had potential. By season four he had full control and it was utter shit.

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        Using a mobile app like Android/iOS, or not recently updated like Memmy? It displays comments incorrectly at the moment.

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    If you had asked me January 5th what would happen if a mob tried to storm the capital and attack congress, I would have said they would be mowed down by machine gun fire.

    After January 6th, I remember thinking “well shit, if people had actually showed up we really could have stormed area 51.”

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      Y’all seem to be forgetting that the reason this was a coup attempt is because the national guard was never called in despite officials knowing of the attack.

      They literally paved the way for the magats to get inside.

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        A lot of Capitol police fought like fucking lions and are responsible for the survival of most of congress.

        But there were also a few collaborators in there, make no mistake.

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          That one cop, I’m actually upset I forget the name of, that lead a group away from congressmen by baiting them into a trap will forever be a hero to me.

          I mean acab but this guy still sets a better example than most.

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        Not only were they not called in, but we all knew it was coming in advance. I refuse to beleive people on reddit knew about it but the government didn’t. They should have been set up in advance with at least a bit more than they had.

        But they didn’t do that, and when people called for back up they were told “Lol no”

        Yet if people try to peacefully protest against cops killing black people they get demonized and assaulted

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          Well the people who were responsible for calling it in were the people who publicly invited the riot. Would be counterintuitive for Trump & Cronies to put down his own rebellion.

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        Do you not think that was the right decision? What do you think the national response would have been if they had shot those people? They walked through the building, stole a lectern, and the US government wasn’t overthrown. But if they’d been mowed down by the National Guard? Fuck me, if you didn’t immediately have a literal civil war on your hands I’d be amazed.

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          The govt has used the military to kill US citizens many times before.

          Plus the simple presence of military forces pointing live round machine guns at you is a really good deterrent for a pathetically organized and lightly armed insurrection.

          Literally would’ve stopped the whole thing before it even began just by having the soldiers there in the first place.

          Like how they show up when it’s an actual peaceful protest because it’s disrupting the lives of daily people. Riot squads lined up ready to crack skulls because people are marching.

          But no you’re right the best thing to do in a coup is just pray the few people they had on station were enough.

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            It just seems bizarre that there wasn’t riot police there, so I wonder if it was intentional. The protestors, rioters or whatever mostly looked like they were on a day out, like a holiday excursion or something.

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              The lack of military force was completely intentional. Which is why every single govt official who knew about the attack, had the power to, yet did nothing to fortify the capitol should all be tried for treason.

              The fact the insurrectionists looked like a bunch of tourists was because of a complete lack of coordination. They looked like bumbling idiots because that’s exactly what they were.

              Their plan was literally

              1. Storm capitol
              2. ???
              3. Profit
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                Worked out pretty well, all things considered. I wonder if, historically, that’s how most plots actually end.

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      Yes, but also no regarding Area 51. Peoplr made facebook groups and associated on Twitter and the government would have been prepared for it explicitly because people were going to storm the capital

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        That and because in the case of Area 51, the people who would be making the call to bring in troops and start shooting didn’t stand to benefit from the actions of the crowd.

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      Yeah, and not just attack the congress arbitrarily, but attack the congress on the exact day they’re making a transfer of power official. In those circumstances I would’ve imagined that 90% of those people get caught by FBI week prior to the actual event, and the 10% remaining people killed as you describe.

      And they weren’t even being a little bit clandestine about it. They were explicitly declaring what they were about to do and then did it.

      Perhaps this is yet another example of the magnitude of how the government is incompetent. They cannot even protect themselves.

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    Storming the capitol will get you shot with overwhelming force… just not if you’re a far-right extremist - that kind of treatment is historically reserved for the leftists and minorities fighting for equal treatment.

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    And Babbit has been made into a right-wing martyr. Secret Service took their job seriously and fired once the house chamber itself was being actively breached. Capitol Police were in a shit position without backup, and the backlash against the whistleblowers who called out the delayed National Guard response was disgusting

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      You can tell the quality of a culture by their heroes.

      They worship a lying, treasonous rapist as the highest moral value.

      A crazed woman with a knife trying to break into our nation’s capital is considered a true patriot.

      This goes far beyond ‘personal opinion’, the right wing is a detriment to our Democracy and need to be treated as such.

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    Not gonna lie, I was watching horrified that police were about to do the thing on live TV. The emotions jumping between “they’re just letting this happen??” and “Omg this is about to be bad” with each corridor the insurrectionists entered was too much.

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    Nancy Pelosi got her far left antifa friends to storm the capital wearing MAGA gear, plus the cops let them in because it was just a peaceful tour of the building.

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      Correct. If this was a bunch of brown people or left-wingers they’d have been mowed down before they ever got up the steps.

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    He’s demonstrably the actual biggest loser in history, and he just got more loser-y folks… If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here’s a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to your aunt karen in Missouri.

    • 0 re-elections won
    • 1 term president
    • 2 times impeached
    • 3 marriages
    • 4 inch lifts in his shoes
    • 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
    • 6 bankruptcies
    • 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
    • 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
    • 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant’s legal fees
    • 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
    • 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
    • 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
    • 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
    • 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, “Wow! Just think - in a couple years I’ll be dating you.”
    • 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID and it continues to kill 4 years later.
    • 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted “miss teen” pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, “trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew.”
    • 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
    • 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin’s infrastructure bill.
    • 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the “misinformation conversation” originated with trump
    • 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
    • 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members “losers” and “suckers” and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly “bone spurs” excuse.
    • 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans have died due mostly to his failure as president
    • 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
    • 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
    • 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.