School shooting in Europe: A tragedy
School shooting in America: A Tuesday
Pssh, like we only do 1 a week
Closer to a day. 288 this year, but school’s out, so we’ll just have some mall and church shootings to close out the season.
I was in Auckland, NZ when there was an active shooter in late July and the whole city was on alert. I was expecting an American style mass shooting based on the number of sirens I heard outside. When I found out it was a disgruntled employee who shot 2 coworkers I thought “Oh, that’s just a Tuesday in America”
Yeah, except the Czech Republic will probably take meaningful steps to ensure it doesn’t happen again
Considering they have a semi-2a already, doubt they will. And I hope they don’t and get further pro-2a…russia is near.
WT actual F is a 2A? Sounds like a school class? Do we shoot it?
It’s “murican” for the right to bear arms. Namely referring to the Second Amendment of the US Constitution.
Somebody probably has shot it knowing this country.
Ah yes, that really old law. We have one in the UK like that, it says something like you can shoot a Scotsman in York on sight, but only with a bow and arrow or after midnight or something
But it’s not enforced because it’s an old law and, well, WE’RE NOT FUCKING STUPID 😂
Well, brexit.
Just stupid in different ways.
We can all be morons together. separately if you don’t want to risk stray bullets from this side.
Since it’s still on the books, could that be used as a legal defense? (Just curious, I’m neither in the UK nor wish to kill anyone with a bow and arrow after midnight)
Common law is based on precedent more than written law (code law), so the fact that no scottsman has been killed in over 100 years and used this law as a defence is proof enough that it isn’t valid legislation.
No, you couldn’t use it as a valid legal defense. There are a lot of old laws like this in the UK that, while technically on the books, have been replaced by more recent legislation.
No, common law is set in precident and there’s no legal precident for it currently.
Isn’t it always “after midnight”?
You’re advocating to disregard any constitution that’s too old?
At least update the fucker every few years…we won’t even do that anymore.
One thing a lot of people are concerned about is the current state of politics, it’s incredibly difficult to get that process going and once we open that can of worms you better believe that billionaire assholes that have already been trying to influence politics will have their favorite atrocious shit put into the constitution.
It’s more like “let’s legislate our issues first.” If we have to change the constitution I’m pretty sure we’re going to end up with an amendment that requires all citizens to buy Koch products, abolish the EPA and make those kinds of departments unconstitutional, or some other absurd nonsense.
Yes.
Maybe amend it
YES
r u stupid?
feel free to say no but ur case isnt looking good
r u stupid
Then fails to type whole words 😂
2A = second amendment. The second amendment to the United States constitution declares that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Yeeehaw! I’ve got a semi-2A just thinking bout shootin’
Second amendment of the US constitution. It’s text is:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
And what that means is up to “interpretation” and some think it means that everyone with no restrictions what so ever should be able to buy guns on a moments notice. Its the main reason why we have this problem state side.
Types 2a because they can’t spell ammendment
That’s because the education system would be better run by a crack head.
Fuck, just wait until they come up with a bump-stock-2A
Well, a special parliament meeting has been called already. Our constitution is quite malleable and I think most parties will agree on stricter gun laws. The gun was legally carried by the perpetrator after all, despite his mental instability and online posts suggesting he premeditated the act.
Also, I expect more training at schools: the killer killed his father first before heading to the faculty, and they had been warned. A partial evacuation was conducted but turned out to be ineffective.
Yep, your constitution is not like the USAs which requires a lot of support from 2/3rds of the states to be ratified.
Coincidentally, it was in the only EU country I know of that has a right to bear arms in their constitution.
What possible correlation could there be? If only we could comprehend this complex issue.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/school-shootings-by-country
One shooting in a country is not proof that the right to bear arms is a public danger. As one might note from the equally isolated incidents in the countries without the right.
288 school shootings in a country that is hardly alone in that right is instead proof of a cultural disease.
A cultural disease that would be inhibited by strong gun restrictions
It raises an interesting point: if the US cracked down super hard on guns but didn’t address the underlying social problems, would people just turn to a different type of violence? Whst would that be? Would you suddenly get all of the would-be shooters committing acid attacks instead?
Before or after the civil war you’d get for trying to disarm a population with more guns than people?
In any event, if you assume it happened magically you’d probably just get mass stabbings that are, at least, easier to stop and have lower body counts.
God, just imagine if all the gun fetishists became knife fetishists overnight, they’re already creepy enough.
One argument I’ve seen against gun restrictions is that you’d be more reliant on the police force which is largely a corrupt gang of stupid bullies with both guns and the impunity to commit murder. I’m for enacting stronger restrictions but this point is difficult for me to refute.
What was that thing with “Under no pretext” I’m sure that it’s not that important
Nah this is a bad take.
Gun law is complicated, they can definitely be used to enhance the violence someone with ill intent can do but social conflicts generally drive it. I mean I’m aussie, we have a fair bit of gun control but still basically anyone who isn’t a drongo can get one (although atm I’m in appeals because apparently ADHD precludes me lmao, yep defs don’t want shooters getting mental health treatment! Should encourage them to hide it!). We actually have quite a few, almost all bolt/lever action rifles but. Handguns have a lot of commitment and training required which is reasonable since they’re for target shooting and people murdering.
We have social issues involving violence, mostly femicide DV stuff, we don’t really have the shooters. We don’t get the stuff like acid attacks or stabbings that you get over in like the UK or whatever. Someone can do a shitload of harm with lots of thing, a slow firing rifle isn’t substantially more dangerous than a car, improv bomb, or crude chemical weapon.
Nah, this is a bad take.
There’s an obvious connection to guns being easily available and mass shootings.
In the trivial sense, in that you need access to guns to do mass shootings sure
But it’s way more complex. The USA is absolutely insane in how available they are, you can just fucking buy one off the shelf without a waiting period etc. You can often carry it everywhere, you can also access absolutely bonkers weapons like semi and fully automatic rifles designed to kill humans in war.
But guns are easily available in Australia: you do a 4 hour training course, pay about 100 bucks and fill out a form, say you have a safe place to store them (it’ll be checked in the next year or so), and about 2 months later you can have one. It’s easier than getting a license for a car! Our last mass shooting with more than 10 dead was 1996 and 10 wounded was 1999.
The USA has about 10x the guns per person but has mass shootings all the time, as well as tremendously more violence in general.
Fucking iceland has about 1/4 the guns per person of the USA and approx twice aus with similar laws and their last mass shooting was like 2005 or something?
The UK has like 1/3 as many guns per person as aus but is a waaaaay more dangerous place in terms of violent crime and even restricting it to guns comparing the same casualties for aus it’s 2010 and 2018 respectively
But guns are easily available in Australia: you do a 4 hour training course, pay about 100 bucks and fill out a form, say you have a safe place to store them (it’ll be checked in the next year or so), and about 2 months later you can have one
That’s not “easily available”. That’s technically available, but difficult to get. Is there anything, other than a driver’s license, that requires that much time, effort and investment?
Getting a mortgage? Getting fit? opening a business? having a child? modifying a car? building an extension? getting vaccinated for travel?
Loads of things require more effort and cost that people do with similar or longer time frames. Nobody would say “it’s technically possible but difficult to build a shed” but you’ve gotta go back and forth with council approval, the builder, contractors etc yet almost every house has one.
edit: also in case you’re not familiar a driver’s licence here requires 120 hours supervised driving, 20 at night, one knowledge test, one hazard perception test, a driving test, 3 years probation with zero tolerance and reduced speed limits (on the first year you can’t even take multiple passengers at night). It is not even in the same league as a gun licence yet almost everyone has one and nobody claims they’re difficult to get.
Even a motorcycle license requires a 2 day training course, a test, 1 year learning and another test, then 3 years probation. They’re considered super easy to get! It costs more and takes longer than a gun licence.
There are millions of car/bike licences, clearly it’s not the licencing requirements stopping people from getting guns.
Getting a mortgage?
Involves a mandatory 2 month waiting period?
Getting fit?
How is that relevant?
opening a business?
Takes more than 2 months to do the paperwork?
having a child?
Again, how is that relevant?
getting vaccinated for travel?
More than 2 months?
Even a motorcycle license requires a 2 day training course, a test, 1 year learning and another test, then 3 years probation. They’re considered super easy to get!
By whom? Lunatics?
There are millions of car/bike licences
Because it’s a tool that’s extremely useful, that many people have to use multiple times per day. It would be extremely difficult to get through modern life without transportation, but guns have no real use in daily life.
There is no justification for having easy access to guns in the public. If citizens feel so unsafe in their homes that they think it’s necessary, then there is a structural problem
Sorry, how does this follow? Most countries allow access to firearms. while we can question the validity of the concept of a country; this presumably communicates that most people don’t feel it’s absurd to have access to firearms.
They are just machines, some are designed as human killers and I would agree that access to those is generally bad. Some are for target practice, some are for killing non humans which I find abhorrent but understand is part of the world for now, some are pure silly fun in the same way fast motorcycles are.
When talking about firearms you need to talk about a certain category because banning them all is as silly as banning drugs or banning stump remover because it’s trivial to make a crude incendiary from it.
There was a mass shooting at Uni Heidelberg last year
And he bought his guns in a country where they can be purchased freely.
Oh wow!
Now we have a total of 40 school shootings in Europe … since 1900.
The States do that in like what, two weeks?
No, but definitely in less than one year.
I love how the Wikipedia article only lists the most horrific school shootings in the US, since it is too much work to list all of them.
USA! USA! USA!
I had to actually read an article to make sure it wasn’t Prague, Wisconsin or some nonsense.
Prague WI definitely doesn’t have a university. If I remember right Prague WI doesn’t even have a gas station.
I just naturally assumed I’d misread and that it was something to do with PragerU.
I am Czech and I hate their name more than people calling us Eastern Europe. They have nothing to do with the prestigious Charles University or any other institution in Prague. Even worse, “Prager” roughly means “Prague (adj)” in German and possibly other languages.
Central Europe: a term invented by eastern European countries that don’t like getting called eastern
We are at 15°E, which is the meridian of Central European Time. Our culture is way closer to Germans than Russians. And would you call Dresden Eastern Europe?
But yes, there is some divide so if you need to draw the line somewhere, it makes sense to split ethnically Slavic and Germanic countries so I see a reason behind that. There is no such justification for PragerU’s name choice.
The term western and eastern Europe have always been political, never geographical. This is why Czechia is eastern, because it used to be part of the socialist dictatorships. Another example: Russia is geographically European* but politically a fascist shithole.
* Inb4 Russia is also in Asia: yes, but none of the parts that actually matter for Russia culturally or economically
His online diary or manifesto whatever was already posted on 4chan, just on like Dec. 10 he was debating if he wanted to be a serial killer that kills one at a time or mass shooter. Long story short, he was going to do some fucked up shit no matter what.
"Wait a minute,
They have guns in other countries?"
Guns aren’t banned in any EU countries I know of. That’s a strawman by American gun control opponents.
In fact, most of Europe has found a good balance of regulations regarding firearms. Where I live (Germany), getting a gun license is about as difficult and costly as getting a drivers license.
And the Czech Republic even has a right to own guns in the constitution.is about as difficult and costly as getting a drivers license.
Note that German driver’s licenses are notoriously difficult to get by the standards of most other countries, especially the US.
OK, but almost everyone is able to get it and no one would claim cars are banned in Germany.
I’d like to add that a driver’s licence in germany costs 2000€ and you can’t get it at school lol
Yes, regulations are so strict that cars are basically banned in Germany.
That’s news to me.
Italy? France?
Prague
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Its not funny…
gal·lows hu·mor /ˈɡalōz ˈ(h)yo͞omər/ noun
grim and ironic humor in a desperate or hopeless situation.
I’m Czech and our culture prides itself in gallows humor.
Way to make the year’s darkest day even darker!
Easy answer. Used too much. An especially weak argument when the one finding it “funny” is never from the area it’s happening in, and thus doesn’t actually have any emotional connection they’re needing to cope with.
You know there are still a couple recordings floating around from people who had tried to call family and/or 911 prior to dying in 9/11? I’ve found anyone who listens to those seems to stop making the 9/11 jokes. Strikes me odd. Must have made it real.
I mean, I may not have any connection to Prague, but as an American citizen who has been shot at, I think I have enough of an emotional connection to gun violence. I still chuckled.
“You can accept that things are awful and still have a sense of humor about it.” - Daniel Tosh
