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All of the companies that would instantly start losing a billion dollars per second would never allow this to happen. This isn’t some 3rd world country where Google and Apple and Facebook aren’t headquartered. The internet will always be happening here. They’re completely dependent on it and their customer’s constant access to it.
Our econnomy is heavily tied to the Internet at this point. Billions in commerce are conducted directly and many billions more in enabled (“what’s the closest pizza place?”). Not to mention stock trading, banking, government services, healthcare, etc. You’re very much on track here and I don’t think it’s hyperbole.
While it could technically happen that our government could legally shut down the internet, it wouldn’t last long or it means we are under attack (perhaps internally) and need to control damage/messaging.
How much of the infrastructure is government owned? Any if it? I do not think he could do this even if he ordered it.
The alphabet agencies are fully capable of doing whatever is needed, they’re the ones that patch peoples systems for them or hack PCs through the power grid and other crazy shit.
If the American government wants the internet to be cut off they’re capable of doing it without the assistance of the ISPs
This is literally impossible to do without total economic and social collapse. It’s like saying you are going to shut off the electrical grid.
Moronic statements made by moronic people who don’t understand what the internet is and think internet = websites.
Right? No internet means no economy. Even the simplest daily things like getting gas require an internet connection.
Literally every part of critical infrastructure has been connected to the internet.
No internet means no water, electricity, emergency services, financial services, waste management…
It’s the digital rod for our modern back.
Most of those emergency services have fall-backs for loss of connectivity. A lot of cases you need people manning consoles that are usually remote.
Financial services are probably hardest hit. They still have a lot of private networks to keep themselves up say if they just iced DNS.
But yeah, if they just proclaim no network anywhere financial would be doa.
If there’s a civil war in the U.S., they’ll absolutely tank the economy to stop the people from rising up. They’re tyrants. They don’t care about the well-being of the country but about maintaining their power over others.
Did you know that in South Africa, the power is shut regularly by their government?
Brownouts are not the same as shutting down the grid mate.
SA has rolling brownouts because the grid cannot handle the demand. My example is that the whole grid shuts down. No country has ever done this.
I think you missed the point the other person was trying to make. They mean shut off all electrical grids. I don’t think South Africa has that power.
Classic coup move
Hands you a hollowed out hard copy of 1984 with a Sig 320 inside
We are going to need a lot more people trained in Gun Kata soon, Cleric.
But for now, its dangerous to go alone, take this!
I don’t know where Equilibrium came from but i approve.
I was replying to a user named Grammaton Cleric.
Oooooh, I missed that too. I love that film.
It’s not a big truck
It’s not something you can just dump something off of
It’s a series of tubes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cZC67wXUTs
Genuinely a cool song!
I know that qoute is a meme and all, but honestly I think the old dude had an idea of how the internet works and comparing it to a series of tubes aint completely wrong. I think he was just kinda bad at explaining it.
It’s possible that he saw the episode and thought it was real.
Miles Taylor, Trump’s former chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security, was asked on MSNBC about what potential damage the former president, who is the frontrunner in the GOP primaries, could do in government without breaking the law.
“The possibilities are almost limitless,” Taylor said. “The biggest concerns for me are on the national security side. I think Americans still don’t understand the full extent of the president’s powers and things Donald Trump could do, bubble-wrapped in legalese, that would be damaging to the republic.”
“He could invoke powers we’ve never heard a President of the United States invoke—potentially to shut down companies or turn off the internet or deploy the U.S. military on U.S. soil,” he added. "We don’t know because the things that are in there, the emergency powers of the president, aren’t widely known to the American people.
I doubt the president who lives on the internet & relies on it to connect with his superfans would disable it.
Not for the people he likes.
So no one said that he would or even may turn off the internet, but that he may use legalize and his emergency presidential powers, if elected, to do something crazy. The person talking about it was spitballing and included turning the internet off as a example of something crazy that he might do.
Edit: He indeed talked about geoblocking countries with groups like ISIS operating within them. At least that is what I assume he meant with his word salad. This is from post below mine. Still not turning off internet.
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Well, he’d pretty much turn off the government if he turned off the internet anyway
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Stores and banks aren’t stocked or staffed for turning off e-commerce. Banks hate when customers walk in the door instead of doing everything online. And the stores woods have to find a drastically different equilibrium without internet advertising or orders. It would be absolute chaos.
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He shuts down major backbones, effectively turning off the U.S. Internet. At the same time, he releases a story to the media and telcos about a major attack on the backbones - a virus, whatever. There’s panic and chaos, as the country grinds to a halt.
He uses that to declare martial law.
After a sufficient time (a small number of days, or even hours), he turns the backbones back on, claiming experts have fixed the problem. Citing martial law, he puts restrictions in place on the U.S, Internet, as dictators do.
We now have severely limited access to real news and information, martial law, and a dictator in place. American Democracy is dead.
Vote Democrat. No matter how much you think they’re the same, they aren’t.
I think he is too much of a narcissist to do something that would reduce the amount of attention he could receive.
Also:
Will he personally pull the plug off the wall so that ISIS stops being a meanie?
My balls might turn off the internet
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Lol every country on the brink that has tried this has incited their own revolution. When people loose their distraction machines they tend to aim anger in the right direction. I say turn it off.
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Is this enough dictator behavior to call him an aspiring dictator for you yet?
“Just on day one”
No no baby, just the tip
It’s dick tater
Only if he actually does it.
I’m pretty sure the only way to turn off the internet is remove humans from the ultimate equation. We have a stubborn little habit of maintaining the status quo or ignoring the rules, especially when porn and/or money is on the line.
ROFL!!
If anything would get people fired up for a coup, it’s that.
How would you communicate about it? Lol
I imagine the same way all meetings, coups, revolutions, and the like has happened since the beginning of humanity:
You meet and talk in person.
You really think us young adults who have grown up in a world never knowing a time without internet would be able to actually pull that off? I know I couldn’t, even if I tried.
You really think if everyone lost access to their porn machines they wouldn’t immediately call up their friends and say wtf?
That call likely uses the Internet as well.
People generally use apps and such, but as far as I’m aware most phones still come with a phone number these days
What’s your point?
As soon as your calls makes it to a cell tower it gets encapsulated and routed over a telco’s network. Any call you make from one call provider to another will traverse the internet. And depending on the extent of the thought experiment for disabling the internet, you could include disabling individual telco’s networks as well, meaning you won’t be calling anyone… except for maybe someone on the same tower as you.
That’s kinda sad ngl
Yeah. I fumble my words on the phone whenever I speak on the phone. I know it’s sad, but that’s me.
That used to be me. I know it’s cliche but if you just push yourself a little bit to get some experience it really does help :)
In secret like we use to.
Bluetooth
Building meshnets
We never actually needed corporations to maintain the internet. The people have just been too lazy and selfish to bother searching out alternatives.
Good luck.
