The findings by a Palestinian pollster signal more difficulties ahead for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s stated goal of ending Hamas’ military and governing capabilities.
Washington has called for the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority, currently led by Abbas, to eventually assume control of Gaza and run both territories as a precursor to statehood. U.S. officials have said the PA must be revitalized, without letting on whether this would mean leadership changes.
The PA administers pockets of the Israeli-occupied West Bank and has governed Gaza until a takeover by Hamas militants in 2007. The Palestinians have not held elections since 2006 when Hamas won a parliamentary majority.
And Bush saw a huge surge of support after 9/11, even though he was widely unpopular leading up to it and nothing about it objectively reflected well on him. It’s a knee-jerk reaction to being attacked by an outside force.
Or it may have something to do with the fact that Hamas have actually proven willing to actually do something about the genocidal white supremacist settler-colonialist state threatening them with extinction - unlike the Israeli puppets that run the Palestinian Authority.
If Israel actually wanted to rid the area of Hamas, I think humanitarian aid and taking care of the people might have been more persuasive than bombing their families out of existence.
That’s a great plan once the hostages have been released.
Agreed. At the very least they could have moved the women and children to safety.
Note: I have nothing against men, and I’m not calling the women weak. I’d say ALL civilians to be inclusive, but I think they could argue that Hamas militants were hiding amongst them (and seperating kids from all their family isn’t… ideal)
Implying women are family and fathers are not
Of course, fathers are just breadwinner - that’s their only value and purpose. They don’t “love” their families. Their lives are meaningless and they are violent terrorists.
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We are shocked! Who would have thought.
US backed anything in this is probably going to be a problem for everyone.
I think this is the poll in question:
https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/961
pdf warning:
https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll 90 English press release 13 Dec 2023 Final New.pdf
Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities.
Jesus Christ.
They have lived in fear under Hamas, but also are not going to side with the people deleting generations of their people from the face of the earth daily.
It’s not about ‘sides’, it’s about not believing that Hamas has done things that it is well-recorded and easily found doing.
a yes, bevause they have time and internetbto browser their phone all day
Internet penetration rate in Palestine is upwards of 70%, Jesus Christ
i was talking about gaza
The poll is of people in Gaza and the West Bank.
Hamas had wide support before Oct 7, wide support for the attack, and now wide support under invasion to return the hostages and dismantle Hamas.
Tldr: Hamas was and is supported by the Palestinians.
P.s. I’m kinda curious how they conducted a real survey
Yeah, so Israel’s done some really fucked up shit, clearly, but when I see polls like this that indicate significant Palestinian support for Hamas, my sympathy for them dips substantially. If you’re going to back a terrorist group, I don’t much care if you get bombed along with them.
You should care if civilian get bombed not out of sympathy for them but because it’s the right thing to do. Everything is fucked over there and will make you uncomfortable.
Hamas is the only group that fights for the Palestinians. Supporting America or the PLO only gets them killed. They don’t give a shit about your support since you’re killing them.
Thinking you’re going to make someone turn against a group by killing their wife and kids and then saying “See, THEY are the bad guys!” is some next level stupid"
So is it alright if Russian civilians are bombed because of their broad support for Putin?, or u.s. and Israeli citizens get bombed for their overwhelming support for the IDF and their atrocities?
Killing civilians is bad no matter their politics.
No. Governments—even bad governments—aren’t the same as terrorist groups.
What is a government and what is a terrorist group, is Hezbollah a government or a terrorist group?, was the Jim crow bourbon democratic party a government or a terrorist group?, is the Iranian state a government or a terrorist group?
Governments and terrorist groups aren’t mutually exclusive. Many governments, including the U.S., fund and support terrorist groups and terrorist acts, and many terrorist groups provide social and governmental services. Hamas does both, although there terror wing is where most of the resources and energy go, they still are, or at least were, the government of gaza and provided some governmental and social services. Them being a government doesn’t make there atrocities any better or worse, same with the Israeli state.
Governments can be worse than terrorists … as evidenced by South African apartheid; Stalin’s starvation of Ukrainians (when the Ukraine was still part of Russia); Hitler’s pogrom against Jews, Poles, gypsies, etc; Mao Zedong’s starvation of 45 million Chinese peasants; and Pol Pot’s genocide against Cambodian citizens of Chinese, Vietnamese, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, and intellectual ethnicities and beliefs.
Nevermind the worldwide genocide of Indigenous peoples through starvation, outright murder, removal of children from families for “re-education”, sterilization of women, etc.
