~70%of Americans want a cease fire. Another nail in the democracy coffin. Same thing in Canada less the veto. Our governments are beating to a different drum that is not the voice of the people they supposedly represent.
America is owned by AIPAC it’s not a democracy.
In before the “Um AkShUaLlY iT’s A rEpUbLiC nOt A dEmOcRaCy” drones that know what neither a democracy or a Republic is.
Where are you getting this 70% number from? Did they do a national vote on the topic? Or maybe it’s just a pulling number you read somewhere and now parrot without source.
Hardly a nail in any coffin. This is exactly how representative democracy works. You vote for someone to represent you in the government. Those someone’s collaborate to the best of their ability to make policies and decisions. Don’t like their policies and decisions. Vote for someone else.
This has some interesting numbers. Says 61% want a permanent ceasefire. But after hearing arguments for and against, the number moved down to 52%.
Hardly a nail in any coffin
This is the important point. The “see your leaders didn’t do perfectly so you should ditch them” is usually followed by “for right-wingers whom you will not need to question because shut up”, and I am really worried when people so quickly give up “passable” solutions for horrible alternatives – and while our governments are effectively two-party systems, the cruel far-right alternatives are usually the only option.
I’d prefer direct voting.
Correction. 70% of people no doubt prefer, in a very abstract way, that Israelis and Palestinians weren’t killing each other. Because innocent civilians dying is bad. But 99% of people don’t “want” a ceasefire if it involves even the slightest amount of effort or concession or cost on their part, nor do they want to dive into the complexities of the Middle East. The quality of that “want” is very, very low. It is more of an abstract preference, really.
Where did you get that 90% figure. Not going to disagree though as it is likely correct but the reality is it is already costing Americans money to not have a ceasefire so unsure your point.
There are lots and lots of polls about Americans wanting a cease fire which range in % but all around 70%. +- 10.
Americans in general have next to no understanding of how aid and funding works, so any poll taken about providing aid or funding is inherently worthless.
People are stupid. That’s why they vote for shit like Trump, Brexit, and cutting military aid to allies.
Well…50% of the population is below average intelligence and they are easy to manipulate and thus are a force to recon.
Obviously I made up the 99% figure as a rhetorical device mirroring the earlier 70% figure as a way of inserting my opinion about the nature of the 70% figure.
“Can’t they all just…like…get along?”
And gentlemen never sail to weather?
That is the saying. Sailing to weather in a stiff breeze for any significant length of time is often unpleasant, unless one is racing. It’s hard on the boat, too. After a while, one learns to sail with the wind whenever possible rather than fight nature.
Complexity of the middle east is a lie to keep the genocide going.
That’s what you took from my comment?
It is my sincere hope that one day, the USA may gain Independence from Israel.
It’s impossible for a politician to win if they criticize Israel.
But why though? This is literally the only thing that the GOP and democrats agree on and it’s a totally dysfunctional level of allegiance to Israel above any other nation. It doesn’t make sense. Bibi is a total douche and they are clearly committing war crimes over there. Hamas sucks but should we really be standing shoulder to shoulder with Israel on this one?
Nationally, currently yes. But not completely. Granted they are trying to smear and attack every Democrat that has. But I think Talib and others. Are relatively safe at their local level.
Not supporting Israel goes against every profit incentive that the oil, military, and other megacorporations have. EU may not like to say it as openly, but they want this to continue too.
Human lives don’t matter in the face of capitalist profit after all.
Gross
I feel like I’m in the twilight zone when people talk about this issue, like people watching all of this and still defending Israel are all living on another fucking planet. Some literally 1984 “war is peace/we’ve always been at war with East Asia” shit.
Remember all the countries that voted yes population and all these in the US and UK who don’t agree with theirs government feel the same.
This is clearly a small interest group that own the US government and UK government and their military and these two will do anything to support thir interests regardless of what people want. It is a dictatorship but instead of one ruler you have a few rich people and companies…
I feel like there should be a limit on how many times a country can exercise their veto rights, at least.
US has a long history of single-handedly bullying entire UN with their veto power.
US gas a long history of single-handedly bullying entire UN with their veto power.
Many of the US’s vetos would’ve been voted against by other countries and/or vetoed by France/UK if the US weren’t there. The US is a convient country to take the fall.
Would be a great bonus to unmask them all
Uh. No. The US is second only to Russia in vetoing the UNSC. Own it, don’t make excuses
I wish my crystal ball would predict what would have happened with the certainty of yours. What brand is yours?
Of course the US would
Come the fuck on. A UN resolution demanding a ceasefire is just symbolic anyway.
Not if it’s from the security council. Security council resolutions are legally binding, whereas GA resolutions are more like suggestions.
This would matter if UN resolutions actually did anything
Did it include releasing hostages?
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How about if Israel treats Palestinians with dignity? That would make Hamas disappear just the same, just without the dead bodies of seven thousand children.
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Yeah, me, a random person on the internet can Google research about deradicalization and realize that what Israel is doing is going to backfire within the next decade.
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And how does Israel plan to avoid the hydra effect?
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So it has no plans to avoid the Hydra effect.
Btw a ceasefire now means 2.3 million people will not starve to death.
Maybe they should try demanding the full unconditional surrender of Hamas and the release of all hostages first…
Don’t you think the lives of 2.3 million starving people is more pressing now than that? A ceasefire would also allow hostages out.
As for Hamas surrendering, it won’t matter. I think Bibi is delusional and just wants this for power-tripping. Hamas will never really even be able to surrender simply because they are born from the oppression that Israel pours on Palestinians, and as long as Israel maims and kills and buries full families under their own homes, Hamas by that name or any other will ALWAYS emerge within a year.
Even with handling an extremist group, Israel poured fuel on the fire and is pouring some more. Everyone knows this, everyone is appalled and shocked at how fucking dumb Israel is being right now.
The “unconditional surrender of Hamas” is Bibi’s kinky fantasy. It means nothing in the practical sense.
But yes good luck getting people who were killed and tortured and kept in poverty by Israel to surrender…
You would never expect Israel to surrender to a more powerful enemy.
You’re not exactly up to date on current events. There was a weeklong ceasefire that ended a few days ago, hamas violated it by launching rockets at israeli cities and refusing to release more hostages.
Specifically refusing to release captured women…
Hmm, funny, because I’m pretty sure they killed two people and shot many others trying to return to their homes in the North during the ceasefire
Several have been injured and taken back to hospitals in the south of the territory, reported Al Jazeera’s Tareq Abu Azzoum, from Khan Younis in southern Gaza.
Two were shot and killed by Israeli troops and another 11 were wounded in the legs. An AP journalist reported seeing two bodies and the wounded as they arrived at a hospital.
Well, Israel isn’t going into some random village to rape torture and mutilate women, children, and babies. Israel also treats prisoners with dignity and don’t just forgets where they put them, starve them, and neglect to give them needed medicine. Israel also doesn’t just fire randomly into heavily populated areas for the sole purpose of killing as many civilians as possible. So there’s that.
The devil is in the details that you choose to ignore.
“some minority people did crime” (and get punished for it). Settlers do not represent Israel, nor do they represent the army. Apples to oranges.
Did you fail to read the part where sometimes the IDF joins in with the settlers? They almost never get punished for it, or it’s just a slap on the wrist because the Palestinians have no rights in Israel’s court system. Settlers are exactly what Israel is, a country founded on the worst white-supremacist imperialist, theocratic, ethno-colonialism.
Are you a genocide apologist just for fun or are you just evil?
I will not step down to your level.
The IDF had never raped or mutilated women and children. Show proof or STFU.
Well, Israel isn’t going into some random village to rape torture and mutilate women, children, and babies.
No, it’s just going into a open air prison of its own creation where it has willfully starved the population to make sure all those doctors, journalists, and civilians are completely killed in their homes, in ambulances, in the market, while sheltering, or while grieving.
What Hamas did was disgusting, but honestly after everything Israel has done, October 7th doesn’t stand anything in comparison. Israel has done October 7th to the Palestinians twenty times over.
F U C K I S R A E L
The devil is in the details that you choose to ignore
How are you ignoring the pain of 2.3 million people? That’s more people than you could even imagine in your head…
This “open air prison” is the making of Hamas.
When a group of people elect an organization whose main agenda is to anihilate its neighboring country, you don’t just stand there and do nothing. You prevent them from gaining weapons and ammunition. The only way to do this is to control their borders.
And behold, they did exactly what they said they would on 7/10. The only surprise is that they succeeded.
Now some facts - Israeli Arabs, you know, the peaceful ones, have full right and full access to anything they want. That includes being in the Israeli army, with access to weapons and ammo. Big weapons, lots of ammo. They’re also elected to Israeli government, just a year ago a Muslim party was in government. Why are they trusted to all this while the Palestinians aren’t? Simple, they’re not trying to murder people.
Something tells me you’ve never been in any real danger that you think problems like this get solved by doing nothing, and playing nice.
This “open air prison” is the making of Hamas.
That’s a lie. Don’t start your damn comments with a damn lie.
Funny how you can’t seem to find a counter argument to anything I said except LIES!!!1111
It’s a false statement with nothing to back it up with, hence a lie.
That’s not an excuse to kill innocent people. Especially children. Would it be okay to carpet bomb and kill innocents in tel aviv if hamas was there?
The irony is staggering. That’s exactly what Hamas is trying to do, and would succeed if it weren’t for the iron dome system.
Hamas wouldn’t exist if the Palestinians weren’t treated like animals and had their land taken, their women raped, and children blown to smithereens.
I think UN was being antisemitic, so they had to
/s looks like this is needed here
Didn’t Hamas break the last two ceasefires? How does the UN expect to enforce such with a literal terrorist organization?
No israel violated the ceasefires right at the start by shooting civilians returning north.
And israel was the party that refused to extend the ceasefire.
Genocide Joe has got to go
I’d still take him over Traitorous Trump.
Donnie the Dictator
Biden is an foreign agent working for israel. Fully bought by AIPAC. They are both traitors.
You can vote for a third party or vote for israel as your leader.
Oh fuck off already
You fuck off genocide apologist. When it came to Ukraine you were all calling for the Russians to assasinate Putin.
Now that it’s about non white people you’re literally saying you’re gonna vote for the genocide guy. Fucking racist hypocrites.
Bro you literally know nothing about me
I know you’re a racist apartheid supporter
Oh is that right? I suppose my actual endeavors of advocating for support for Palestine in my state is completely made the fuck up. I guess all those resources I helped gather for Palestinians are illegitimate.
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‘I am a Zionist’: How Joe Biden’s lifelong bond with Israel shapes war policy
Biden isn’t exactly shy about it. He openly advocates for Genocide and apartheid.
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