You’ve got situations where Democrats help elect Muslims into positions of power, only to have those same Muslims turn around and enact things like LGBTQ+ flag bans. I’m not really sure that there’s much intersection between the Democrat’s platform and Muslim ideology outside of Democrats just trying to protect civil rights in general and at least trying to help immigrants/minorities. That Democrats are sometimes ineffective at getting alot done sucks, but change takes time and Democrat constituencies aren’t as reliable a voting bloc as Republicans. You keep working towards change you want, or else the other side gets the change they want.
Or you can leave it up to Republicans, who hate your guts and their end goal is likely kicking you out of the country altogether and/or back to the “glory days” of 1950s apartheid America (if not further measures). It’s a shitty choice, but that’s what we’re down to in the US.
Sorry, who are the Democratic Muslim elected officials enacting lgbtq+ flag bans?
Hamtramck, Michigan voted in a Muslim majority city council, who promptly banned Pride flags… for reasons:
It’s happening the most in Michigan since a large arab diaspora community has settled in there from the Ford days
Prior to 9/11 arab muslims were a lock in republican voting bloc because christian nationalism hadn’t yet locked onto them as a target for persecution, and they often share goals for social policy.
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That Democrats are sometimes ineffective at getting alot done sucks
Or you can leave it up to Republicans, who hate your guts and their end goal is likely kicking you out of the country altogether and/or back to the “glory days” of 1950s
As usual, Simpsons did it first
Yep people like using race and religion as excuses to protect their hate towards queer people. We’ve known this for a while but people seem surprised when people other than white Christians do this.
That Democrats are sometimes ineffective at getting alot done sucks, but change takes time and Democrat constituencies aren’t as reliable a voting bloc as Republicans. You keep working towards change you want, or else the other side gets the change they want.
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That’s false and offensive stereotyping. Polling shows over 50% of American Muslims believe LGBT Americans deserve equal rights and treatment. Only 15% of Pentecostal Christians in the US agree. Meanwhile, Muslim politicians like Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are very supportive of LGBT issues to the point where they lost the votes of some Muslim conservatives.
Stop trying to make stuff up.
But the specific thing that Paddirn is referencing DID happen?
So? Judge millions of people by the actions of a politician?
There’s a Christian politician on west coast who proposed a bill giving death penalty for anyone who curses their parents, because the Old Testament said it. Should we judge all Christians by that guy? Absolutely not. Stop trying to stereotype.
Sorry, I think you misunderstood my intent.
Per you, “That’s false and offensive stereotyping.” “Stop trying to make stuff up.”
You accused /u/paddirn of lying and other worse things. I was just trying to point out that they were referencing a specific event that has happened.
I didn’t say anything about judging all Muslims based on the actions of this one city council.
Paddirn is specifically stating that American Muslims are all like that city council and that you can’t trust them on that basis. That’s idiotic, and still false based on public opinion polling. My point stands that he or she is trying to make a false narrative to stir up bigotry.
All Abrahamic religions are very conservative. Hardcore Muslims share more values with hardcore Christians than with progressive liberals.
Problem is the xenophobia.
That’s another value they share.
Not true.
In the US, Jews and Muslims vote Democrat. Over 50% of American Muslims believe LGBT Americans deserve equal rights as everyone else; meanwhile only 15% of Pentecostal Christians agree.
Why would you compare Muslims to Pentacostal Christians specifically?
Muslim Americans used to vote Republican and Bush won them in the 2000 presidential elections.
Until 9/11 happened of course.
But it’s interesting what you say about 50% of Muslim Americans supporting lgbt. My guess is that those who went to America are vetted, more educated and therefore more open-minded, unlike in Europe which received massive influx of Muslim refugees of all backgrounds.
I don’t mean to sound classist and elitist but educated immigrants are just more likely to adapt and integrate. This is not very different to how the Italians and Irish in America were perceived in the past due to their massive immigration population.
Hardcore meaning fundamentalist types. Not sane people.
I don’t think the current shitstorm has anything to do with hardcoreness.
WHAT THE FUCK IS UP, DENNY’s?!?
Is that a joke?
Sure, but most Muslims in America are not hardcore. The average Muslim American is significantly more liberal than the average white person.
Idk about that one champ
Thats so hyperbolic it would be funny if I didn’t think you were serious
Who are they going to vote for in what is effectively a two-party system, the Republicans with a sizeable group of Christo-fascists?
They’ll get even worse than ignored, they’ll be targeted.
3rd party 2024
3rd party has always been a guise to pull votes from Democratic candidates.
Ross Perot would like a word.
Works both ways. Trump, if he’s not the nominee, will be splitting the other side too.
There is no better year to get ranked voting than going 3rd party while both primaries split their votes.
The MIC needs you to think it’s impossible or a waste of energy.
Short of God himself striking down Trump with a lightning bolt, he will be the nominee.
Works both ways. Trump, if he’s not the nominee, will be splitting the other side too.
It does not work like this.
Do you genuinely think Trump loses primaries and just bows out and doesn’t go 3rd party?.. I don’t understand your take.
So when you say “3rd party 2024” you’re suggesting voting for Donnie?
Now I don’t understand your take.
Works both ways. Trump, if he’s not the nominee, will be splitting the other side too.
There is no better year to get ranked voting than going 3rd party while both primaries split their votes.
The MIC needs you to think it’s impossible or a waste of energy.
Giant asteroid 2024
Ever wonder why Steve Bannon is working so hard to recruit 3rd party candidates?
Can’t happen until you change the legislatures to 5 member proportional districts and the single-seat offices to something like approval voting (or any other voting system where it’s safe to give your favorite maximum support).
And that’s how you effectively voted for whichever of the 2 parties you hate least.
Former NYC Mayor Ed Koch had a good line. "If you agree with me 51% of the time, you should vote for me. If you agree with me 100% of the time, talk to a doctor.’
You guys seriously need to start talking about getting rid of your two party system
Their choice remains: getting beaten up, deported or killed or just getting their issues ignored
Can someone please identify a few “Muslim issues” that are ignored by Democrats? I can’t seem to think of any political issues that could be considered “Muslim”
Not American
In Canada Muslims vote Conservative
Recently a Liberal visited a Mosque and covered her hair/dressed up for it
They booed her and told her that Muslims will never vote for a pro-gay candidate
We had a nationwide march against gays/trans called the one million march for children, Christian and Muslim leaders joined together to organize it
Yeah that one million march shit is fucked
Source? I can’t find anything confirming what you’ve described.
https://www.1millionmarchforchildren.ca/about-the-organizers
“I believe (Crombie) should be only targeting LGBTQ votes. I can remember, though, the public statement Bonnie Crombie made about Haya day when we gathered to celebrate our pride about modesty and she sided with the LGBTQ community as if they are the only community worthy of celebrating pride, insulting the Muslim community who voted her to be a mayor of Mississauga.”
Thanks for your perspective!
Yes.
Removing the Muslim ban (Biden delivered on this)
Civil Liberties for Muslim Americans (he won’t meet with Muslim rights groups like CAIR)
Prosecuting hate crimes against Muslims and mosques. (Biden only announced this month that he will get some experts together and make a new policy TBD. Not sure why he waited 3 years to announce he will start to deliver on a campaign promise…)
Evenhanded Israel-Palestine policy (he badly failed at this)
Support democracy in Middle East and Muslim majority countries (he’s failed at this)
Not sure why he waited 3 years to announce he will start to deliver on a campaign promise…
Common tactic. Delay working on vote-winning issues until the end of the first term for that sweet, oh so sweet, double dip.
ya, just remember if Biden doesn’t get in, the guy that unironically wants to send Muslims to camps will get in
no way to stop this says only country… oh no wait thats shootings.
what do you call a democratic system where you only have one choice?
see, you happen to be confusing having one not horrible choice with having no choice.
that is known as an ultimatum, which is indeed no choice at all
It’s American “democracy” in action
Clearly we need a different system, because it’s clear that Democrats will never make the types of change we need, and we sure as hell can’t vote Republican
It’s a farce
why are you relying on electoralism to enact change? no, you go out and vote every election so the least bad, and easier to work with government gets into power, not so you can sit back as they do everything
even in a multi party system, why would there be multiple parties that have similar demands?
you also again forget that you have a choice of following through with an ultimatum
I appreciate this!
Well many of them do seem to be pretty upset at the US giving military aid to Israel.
I completely overlooked that tbh, not my proudest moment.
I know the title is a joke but yes, minority groups (excluding the LGBT+ community) are voting red in larger numbers than ever.
I can’t find information on minorities voting conservative.
Do you have any articles I can look up or keywords to search for?
The number should be near zero for minority groups buuuuut yeah.
https://www.pewresearch.org/race-ethnicity/2022/09/29/latinos-and-the-2022-midterm-elections/
Latinos are typically either VERY conservative or VERY liberal. Cubans especially if they hate Castro.
It also doesn’t help that there were efforts by the right to spread misinformation to right leaning Hispanic voters linking democrats to the authoritarian leaders they fled. It was an effective strategy.
Also with how immigration from other countries is controlled to typically target highly specialized workers who will see themselves as part of the upper class while over here.
The western showdown with caste discrimination is a direct result of this, migrants from south asia tend to imbalance towards higher caste individuals who have a chip on their shoulder from India having passed caste affirmative action and who then go on to pick fights about how its their religious right to engage in it in the west.
The Ramaswamy gang if you will.
These people want to imagine themselves as part of the old boys club that the republicans try to sell themselves as whenever a word can be gotten in over their rabid white christian nationalist voting base.
Oh, do you just mean that any minority vote higher than zero for Trump is surprising?
That survey had a lot of information, is there any historical comparison like the change in voting habits over time that you mentioned?
Source?
Trump hits new poll highs with Black, Hispanic voters. What to make of it?
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Across five high-quality polls that have broken out non-White voters in the past month, Trump is averaging 20 percent of Black voters and 42 percent of Hispanic voters.
Both numbers — and especially that for Black voters — could set modern-day records for a Republican in a presidential election.
No Republican presidential candidate in the past 50 years has approached receiving 20 percent of the Black vote. Since Republicans took 18 percent in 1972 and 16 percent in 1976, according to exit polls, they haven’t taken more than 12 percent of Black
See also
Black support for GOP ticked up in this year’s midterms
Republican candidates were backed by 14% of Black voters, compared with 8% in the last midterm elections four years ago, according to AP VoteCast, an extensive national survey of the electorate.
tanka u
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.
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Same in the UK with Labour ayylmao
Black folks aren’t marching in anti gay parades (see comment below).
So I feel like it’s kinda unfair
Why even post this if you tacitly disagree with it?
It occurred to me after I posted this that depicting “black voters” in a meme with a noose might be insensitive. What do you guys think? Did I do a racism?
Being hung isn’t exclusive to black people. I think you’ll be fine.
given that it’s a very widespread meme format used exactly the way this meme presents itself, any meaning along those lines are incidental and not intended. Personally I give it a pass, though it’s possible there are people that don’t think the same and find it offensive
Whatever pisses off you whippersnappers
votes democrat for house and senate, votes republican for president
At least I get to see them fight each other while I get screwed over regardless
Also its funny because iirc most polls and studies have shown that Muslims are still equally split between both parties anyway.
False. Been an American Muslim voter for 20 years, and majority of American Muslims have voted Democratic ever since 2004 when they wanted to send a message to Bush. Since then you haven’t seen an election with Democrats getting less than 70% of the American Muslim vote.
I don’t know where you think or heard that Muslims are split, but that’s simply false and you can check exit polling in every US election since 2004 if you don’t believe me.
