“We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not.”
That’s gotta be one of the strangest reasonings I’ve heard in a while.
The guy running against Biden has far worse policies with regard to Muslims. If that guy wins it “proves” America wants the worse policies, potentially causing Democrats to switch to those policies to try to win.
Luckily, this is a publicity stunt that I don’t foresee changing any actual votes.
If Biden’s stance on Israel is driving away voters, that’s just normal. This is one of those important polarizing issues, and he can’t avoid accountability, for good or bad. The death count and coverage has guaranteed that.
As for “America wants” language, that doesn’t mean anything. Different people have different goals.
Who are Zionists actually voting for? If it’s not the Democratic party, then why would he continue to be pro-Israel? Whom is he pandering to with that stance?
There are many reasons politicians might be pro war. The military industrial complex is too powerful, among other things.
for “America wants” language, that doesn’t mean anything. Different people have different goals.
Sure, it’s shorthand, but the idea is that the Democratic Party might nominate a presidential candidate who has harsher views about Muslims and Palestine, if they see those views being the reason they lost, or among the reasons they lost.
They would see that they had the “better” policies and still didn’t get the votes from the people who care most passionately about them, so their approach did not work. Maybe they go closer to the protesters view to try to get their votes, or maybe they give up on the protesters as a voting bloc since they couldn’t even get their vote when they had the “better” policies. That would entail going further away from the protesters views.
Either could happen, I don’t know the polling, but my point is that it isn’t just “we will take 4 years of Trump to make our point and make Democrats listen,” they may be taking 4 years of Trump and then proving that no one should align their policy views with theirs going forward because it hurts more than it helps.
Rationally, you have a valid point.
But I can totally understand people who can’t bring themselves to vote for someone actively supporting a genocide. Something that Trump didn’t do during his tenure in office.
Lesser of two evils only works when the distinction is clear to everyone.
Biden needs to separate himself from Israeli genocidal politics, and it seems his cabinet is trying to shift.
So in conclusion, you might consider this a publicity stunt. And maybe it is. But recent elections have shown that you can’t ignore your base, you need to fire them up to really turn them out.
So this is definitely a good move.
But I can totally understand people who can’t bring themselves to vote for someone actively supporting a genocide. Something that Trump didn’t do during his tenure in office.
Trump provided military assistance, approved arms sales, and personally vetoed a bill to end US military assistance to the Saudis in Yemen which is considered a genocide as well.
And his Israel “peace plan” was literally just giving the Israelis everything they wanted so if you’re giving him credit for Israel/Palestine actions you’re literally just giving him credit for not being the president when this happened. He absolutely would have been worse for Palestinians, he just didn’t have the power at the time.
Then they stay home to vote “neither of the above” or in more active form cast ballot voting for “Mickley mouse” aka foiled ballot.
But I can totally understand people who can’t bring themselves to vote for someone actively supporting a genocide. Something that Trump didn’t do during his tenure in office.
Trump was trying to oppress them personally. Maybe sympathy for those suffering a genocide is more important to them than their own safety, but maybe it shouldn’t be.
Also, do you really think Trump wouldn’t support Israel killing every last Palestinian they could?
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The Muslim ban was only oppressing foreign Muslims trying to enter the USA.
It did not directly oppress US citizens who were Muslim
Oh, so just the families of those citizens. Gotcha. I’m sure Trump won’t do worse next time.
Also, that isn’t all he did. He wanted a national registry of Muslim-Americans, for example.
Please, explain to me how doing that wouldn’t be oppressing them.
…and the American base never fails to show its sheer, utter stupidity.
Good thing there’s someone else running in the primary that’s polling 10 times higher than that guy.
Who would that be?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-d/2024/national/
I guess she’s got double the votes, not 10 times, but it’s funny you haven’t heard of Marianne Williamson.
I’ve heard of Williamson. Those charts say she’s polling in the single digits and is only ahead of some dude named Phillips that I’ve never heard of.
Not sure where you’re getting your 10x or even 2x numbers.
OP didn’t mean some rando that no one’s ever heard of. “The guy running against Biden” meant the only other person with any chance of being president in 2025
I don’t think those graphs say what you think they do. Unless you haven’t noticed that blue line way at the top.
Obviously the incumbent is polling at 80%+, I’m just saying that Phillips is even less likely to challenge Biden than Williamson, so there’s really no point in saying he’s even worse than Biden.
I find it funny that people trot her out as if she’s some solution here. Will you be telling gay men who loathe her for minimizing AIDS to suck it up and vote for her?
Didn’t Trump have a travel ban on Muslims at one point?
Edit: yep, he did
that was like the first thing he did
His reckless nepotism foreign policy is also the reasons that Hamas attacked and Palestians are dying right now.
Palestinians are dying because Genocide Joe is giving bombs to the IDF please stop twisting reality to fit your world views.
They responded to this unoriginal take in TV interviews a while ago.
What did they say?
Ah, yes, “recalibrate” to a dictatorship. Republicans LOVE muslims!
If they succeed in electing Trump, Democrats won’t need to reflect about anything because they won’t be allowed to run for office anymore.
But the Anti-Biden folks will be able to tell the next generation that they “stood up for their own ideals!” Sure, they won’t have prevented any genocide, and they will have put the party into power that is currently trying to set up a fascist theocracy, but they can go to sleep knowing they have personal integrity!
/s
The other side of this being someone saying “we’re not going to legislate anything that will help you, and fuck you for asking, but vote for us because we won’t actively genocide you” which is not really a great selling point but yeah at least we’re avoiding the worse stuff.
It’s a bit ironic that it’s always “Vote for Democrats or democracy dies” when that setup is inherently undemocratic, since your vote can’t go anywhere but the single choice that lets you still have a vote
It’s a sucky system, for sure, but we have zero chance to fix it by sprinting towards Fascism.
And perhaps it’s ultimately a lost cause, but given the demographic shift of Millennials and Gen Z, I think it’s far from a foregone conclusion.
Please go look up the political compass. Both parties are fascist.
Yeah, sorry. You’re going to have to give me a source for that claim.
It’s this dumbass forum of 14 year olds called /politicalcompass where a bunch of high schoolers with no life experience try to discuss complex issues through the lens of a four-sided charicature of political ideologies that they call the political compass. It’s total horseshit and the meme has been coopted by actual fascists.
I actually found one source (might have been the same place), and it “analyzes” Biden and Trump from 2020 based on their past policy stances and public statements; it shows Biden and Trump practically overlapping. This is based on some 62 questions they ask community members.
If someone honestly thinks that’s a reasonable analysis of past and especially current stances, I weep for the state of skepticism and rational thought.
As a sidenote, if we look at the polling data the way it should be seen, it’s interesting that those people are so far left that they feel like Biden and Trump are overlapping.
This is exactly what I thought when I read that. What kind of “recalibrating” do they think they’re going to get to do with a christian fascist lording over the country?
I can’t help but have conspiracy theory thoughts, like this is some kind of conservative campaign. It’s hard to rule anything out anymore, and the idea of muslims voting for trump is just that fucking stupid.
Or you could actually hear them out rather than discredit them. Biden is killing their families in mass right now. You want them to think about how Trump might hurt them later? Which is actually happening now? Does making Biden think he will win encourage him to stop participating in the war crimes that he’s being referred to the ICC for?
This is how democracies die.
Wtf are you even talking about? This is the dumbest take of the day by far.
Idiots.
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If Democrats don’t try to get them back, they won’t get them back.
If you’re one election cycle away from collapse, you’re already dead.
These fucking idiots.
FTA:
“a reflection of their outrage over President Biden’s handling of the Israel-Hamas war.”
If that’s legit their position, then they have no candidate in 2024. It’s not like they can vote for Trump.
That may be.
If Democrats need their votes, they’d best listen.
The DNC will ignore them, then blame someone else when they lose
And they clearly stated that they know trump would be worse short term, but they are hoping this puts long term pressure on democrats to represent their issues more.
This has never worked in reality though. Republicans will always pull the country to the right if they win.
If that’s legit their position, then they have no candidate in 2024
Yes. That’s literally their point.
It’s notable that the Republicans have not attempted to court the pro Palestinian voters in reaction to the anger at Biden. Because they are if anything more pro Israel / anti Palestine than the Democrats.
I agree that the Dems are the “only slightly better” party in a few aspects, and they need to do better. But slightly better is still better than the alternative and we need to vote like it.
I use a taxi analogy often when it comes to issues like this. You’re on 8th Street and want to get to 1st Street. There are two taxis in front of you a Blue Taxi and a Red Taxi. The Blue Taxi will take you to 4th Street. The Red Taxi will take you to 21st Street before beating you up and leaving you for dead in the gutter.
Which taxi do you take?
Note: “Neither” isn’t an option because if you don’t choose, then some random people choose for you and shove you in the taxi.
Yes, neither taxi takes you to your destination, but the Blue taxi is a lot easier to recover from and reach your destination than the Red taxi.
Would it be better if you had a taxi that took you to your exact destination? Definitely, but this is where realism meets idealism. In the real world, you rarely have perfect options. You often need to decide which option is closest to perfect for you. In this case, the Democrats/Blue taxi are flawed but are worlds better than the Republicans/Red taxi.
This exceedingly simple logic seems beyond a good portion of the US population.
Blue taxi runs out of gas halfway there because the red taxi siphoned it out for their own use.
Yet in a state where you WILL be shoved in a blue or red taxi no matter what (say, CA for blue), you could vote for a green taxi stand to be put there so at least next time there are more options - or at least the blue taxi will deliver you to 3rd street.
The problem is that the blue taxi only promises to take you to 4th. When you get in, it just sits there. When you ask the driver why he’s not moving, he insists that he is and tells you that you must be from the other cab company. If you try to get out and walk, he screams at you. As long as you’re in the cab and not perfectly silent about wanting to get any closer to your destination, the driver screams at you. Eventually the driver gets mad if you’re not smiling.
Not great, sure, but I still have all my teeth.
With blue taxis, you could run for driver. With red taxis, you get what you get.
Slightly better?
Here’s a GOP calling for death to all Palestinians.
They’re all paying for it enthusiastically. I don’t care if some posture differently personally.
The Biden administration is doing the “death to all Palestinians”.
There is no difference.
“thERe iS nO diFfERenCe”
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If you still think there is a difference then LMAO
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How the fuck do you figure? Is Biden at the front? Are any American soldiers bombing Palestinians? No and no.
This may come as a surprise to you, but the president of the United States is not also the president of Israel. That’s a completely different person. It’s a different country.
Yeah giving all the bombs and Intel to the israelis totally isn’t complicit.
The president of israel is the president of United States though. That much is painfully obvious.
I dunno if people know Biden’s past as a darling of the Israel lobby. Obama used to attend pro-Palestinian events and knows very well what’s going on, part of why he picked Biden was because he was disliked by the Israel lobby, and that was his way of courting them. Of course at the helm he had to go back on his views. That’s kind of the point here too, what’s in the best interest of US foreign policy is largely determined by the military industrial complex, voters don’t have a say in this really. Neither does the President in a lot of respects either, because furthering the country’s foreign policy is more about what America is to the world than what the parties are to Americans.
Given Biden’s poor polling in basically every swing state against Trump the party should really be picking a better candidate if they want a guaranteed victory in the election. I’d be doing the same as these Muslim groups if I was in the US because I’d want the Democrats to win, I don’t see a way forward for this right now without the party stepping up with some major changes. What I see instead are Democrat voters shaming potential Democrat voters in to voting instead of demanding the party do better, and yes it’s true if those people voted we wouldn’t get Trump again, but saying as much is more about validating your position than actually doing the work to get that victory. I feel like at this point Democrat voters are just going to shame people for caring about genocide and there’s no way that’s going to get them votes, probably more the opposite.
What I see instead are Democrat voters shaming potential Democrat voters in to voting instead of demanding the party do better
I mean the reality here is just that you and I want different things. I don’t want the Democrat party to “do better” in any some ways you want, and you don’t want them to “do better” in some ways I want. That’s just what being in a coalition is, and Dems are a very broad coalition
I don’t want the Democrat party to “do better” in any some ways you want, and you don’t want them to “do better” in some ways I want.
When was the last time the party did better in ways you didn’t want?
To be clear by “do better” I mean appeal to most voters, which means transferring politics that have broad support in to policies. Right now they provide policy and basically invent the politics to underlie it.
Also let’s be clear what’s being asked of Muslim voters right now, “support the fascist genocide against your people vicariously by supporting the Democrats, because the alternative will be worse.” That’s a BIG ask, that’s why it’s never addressed directly and diverted with “this is the best you can get.” To then shame those voters and blame them for worsening the situation… you’re telling them this system requires them to die one way or another. I don’t blame them one bit for taking this position.
Thank you. You said this much more nicely than I could.
They must want to completely lose Democracy because they aren’t getting their way. That’s what’s in the ballot. There very likely won’t BE 2028 election if Rump gets back in.
If democracy isn’t working for them, why would they vote for it? Remember, they just voted with Republicans to censure Rashida Tlaib over nothing too, and then there’s all the other stuff like student loans, the child tax credit, gaslighting people about how well the economy is going, etc.
Generally voting for democrats on the federal level just means halting or slowing down the inevitable ratchet towards fashism, not actually improving things, because there always a Lieberman or a Manchin ready to sink anything that would be too lefty.
If democracy isn’t working for them, why would they vote for it?
Because it can get worse. This seems obvious.
Of course it can and will. But just like Weimar Germany, the centrist parties (or in this case, the only non-fascist party) are too busy with their heads up their asses (or scare mongering about socialism) instead of solving people’s issues. Why would they support the party that will punish the few representatives they have any time they stand up for Muslim issues?
BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE IS WORSE.
This also seems PAINFULLY obvious.
The alternative in this case being “treating people like you need their votes.”
The party would rather have Trump than the nightmare scenario of acting like their voters are worth anything.
Look, I can’t keep people from hurting themselves. I will call them morons leading up to and afterwards though.
Same as I did for dipshits in red states losing maternity wards now. /shrug
You’d rather blame people for a loss than try to win.
Generally voting for democrats on the federal level just means halting or slowing down the inevitable ratchet towards fashism
Is it an inevitable turn towards fascism, or is it people refusing to vote against fascism because Democrats don’t “inspire” them?
You can either keep shaming non-voters, or democrats could maybe do something for them once in a while that’s not a corporate giveaway disguised as policy.
If a progressive is running against a fascist, and a moderate chooses not to vote because they think both options are “too extreme”, does that mean the progressive candidate inevitably leads to fascism?
I’ll happily keep shaming non voters, because their logic makes no fucking sense and I hate such blithe idiocy. I’m no Democrat spokesperson nor party official. If a random person being mean to them online is enough for them to refuse to vote against bigotry, I couldn’t care less about their opinion.
If a progressive is running against a fascist, and a moderate chooses not to vote because they think both options are “too extreme”, does that mean the progressive candidate inevitably leads to fascism?
Last time moderates didn’t get their very first choice, they formed a PAC to fundraise for McCain/Palin.
then there’s all the other stuff like student loans, the child tax credit
I see someone isn’t following what is happening or how this works. The President, leader of the Dems, changed federal policy to forgive student loans (or at least a big chunk of them for a big chunk of the population) and it got struck down by the Supreme Court thanks to the other party. The Dems passed the child tax credit and then couldn’t get it through the house to renew it because of the other party.
Generally voting for democrats on the federal level just means halting or slowing down the inevitable ratchet towards fashism, not actually improving things
Let’s say that’s true, it’s objectively not but let’s pretend it is. Isn’t that still the obviously better option? How the fuck is fascism today better than fascism tomorrow?
Then we don’t fucking deserve it or it will be time to refresh the tree of liberty. When disenfranchised people tell you that they don’t see a difference, ask why. These folk have lost family members and are telling you that, from their perspective the only difference between having a R and a D in the White House is whether you show up to protest too.
“Refresh the Tree of Liberty”… that’s some bullshit, Trump gets into office and he’ll chop that tree down himself. Then deport all the Muslims he can. Voting R is the literal version of “chop your nose off to spite your face”.
If they can’t see a difference between having legal abortions and not, they’re fucking idiots.
Yes, Roe still exists and we need to preserve it by… making excuses for not codifying it.
Hey maybe republicans will do it.
“Everyone to my left is all the way to my right”
Na mine is “those idiots think getting the party furthest from their supposed ideal elected will be good for them”.
Then don’t accuse me of being a Republican for pointing out that Democrats did fuck all to preserve Roe.
If you can’t see the difference between not being able to get an abortion and your mother being dead, then I pity you and your lack of empathy.
If the overturn of Roe has turned you into a one issue voter, then I will pair you off with a 2nd amendment one issue voter and you can angrily jerk each other off.
Na I just picked an issue that any fucking moron would be able to tell the parties apart on.
Hey maybe Trump will be better on Muslim relations though.
Ah yes, Muslims are famously all pro-choice.
TIL discerning between two things is tantamount to support for one of them.
If you look at Democrats and Republicans and see no difference, you may want to ask yourself why a Trump presidency would be the same for you as a Biden presidency. There aren’t a whole lot of non white working class Americans who can say that.
“That Muslim Ban was such a good idea and concentration camps at the border, we want to see what the orange one will do next!”
While ignoring WHO built those concentration camps
Morons.
I will never ever understand minorities that vote this way. I get people who are like me voting conservative, I don’t but I get their self-interest pov. You are literally voting for people who want you deported. They have made that crystal clear.
There was a story about a woman who voted for Trump in 2016. Her husband was then deported as an illegal immigrant. Apparently, she was shocked that the guy who campaigned repeatedly on kicking out all illegal immigrants no matter what would kick out her husband because he was an illegal immigrant.
It was a real “leopards eating my face” moment and shows just how stupid some people are.
I remember that story
Is there really a lot of difference between Evangelical Christian and Muslim? There is a lot in the middle of the venn diagram of things they hate.
Yes. If there is a theocratic takeover of the US it isn’t the evangelicals that are getting deported.
It may surprise you to learn the are more white Muslims than any other individual race. It’s a very diverse religion in America, but just over a quarter are white.
It does not surprise me since I already knew that. Not like I have Egyptian Coptic family or something
My bad, I forgot you told me that already.
This is pressure to make the Democrats better, whether by changing their stance or getting different Dems.
Would you suggest accepting that the Democrats as they are is enough to stop climate change, end wealth inequality, provide housing and healthcare, end discrimination, reform the police, etc?
Let me know how that works for you. You know after you lose the Senate and Presidency next year. Watch how fast the Supreme Court upholds a Muslim registration program over an issue of standing or by pointing out that the census already requests that information. Then we will get a second travel ban.
You are voting against your own interests.
Who says they aren’t voting Democrat when it comes down to it? They’re trying to improve their voting choice. Ffs.
This is how democracies die. Fascists don’t need a majority to win, they just need their opposition to be splintered. It’s exactly what happened in Hungary, and now it’s too late.
You might want to think long and hard about how you triage your political decisions.
It’s not a Trump campaign. It’s a DNC better pick someone else or they’re fucked campaign. And that’s true frankly regardless of my personal opinion. The dude has sacrificed too many communities to make republicans happy and now the warmongering. He destroyed his own campaign.
This is how democracies die.
Fine get deported. See if I care.
It’s pretty clear that the people who have this take, regardless of party or political affiliation, don’t care. If they did care, they would listen. People who care don’t make threats. They listen.
It isn’t a threat. If Muslims don’t vote this year the chances of the GOP taking over becomes that much higher. At which point white liberals will be able to do nothing. So what do you want? Do you want to vote for the party that you have some chance of getting what you want or the party that you have no chance of getting what you want? How is pointing out that voting for the face eating leopard party might result in your face getting eaten by leopards a threat?
Yeah sorry these people are idiots and should be ignored. We are in a really dangerous position right now where we could still fall to fascism and need every blue vote we can.
Do they honestly think that a Republican or Trump (who banned people from Muslim countries) aren’t gonna ban them too?
Yeah that worked real well for the people that didn’t vote for Hillary because sanders that shafted by the DNC. DNC never learned their lesson and Trump winning again I doubt they will learn.
I worked for that campaign during that election cycle. You would think that the DNC and coordinated campaigns would learn that not listening to voters hurts you. Shaming them didn’t work last time either. They didn’t fund outreach. They didn’t listen to organizers on the ground. They didn’t care.
You would think that the DNC and coordinated campaigns would learn that not listening to voters hurts you.
They would rather lose than listen to voters.
DNC never learned their lesson
At this point I honestly think the lesson they’ve learned is that curb-stomping the progressives and daring them to stay at home gets us all 4 years of punishment under the GOP and in the next election they get 100% of what they wanted in the first place without any actual lefties having power.
When you remember FDR, this is exactly what they did then- FDR, scion of privilege, ran on a progressive platform for an electorate thirsty for lefty policy. He surrounded himself with other left-leaning bluebloods interested in progressive politics but dead set against actual leftists gaining power. They doled out progressive policies as political favors but strictly kept the rabble out of actual power.
Likewise, in the waning years of the Prussian Empire, Otto von Bismarck (a staunch monarchist, facing an uprising of social democracy politics he despised) famously undertook socialist-y policies like socialized medicine and old-age insurance/pensions to steal political support from the social democrats while keeping them strictly out of power.
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I could be wrong but I don’t see that happening until the GOP shatters. I see Dems traditionally as a coalition of basically not GOP voters. Just using single voter issues for this example, Let’s say we had a viable pro choice and pro gun third party, how many people from the current 2 parties would that pull from. I would wager mostly from the dem side which means larger chance of GOP winning. Which is a risk DEMs won’t take and I feel the DNC know this.
Russian money hard at work.
Pro-Trump muslims. That’s just great. So Trump gets voted in and instead of having a president ask IDF to spare as many civilians as they can, there will be a president who asks IDF to kill as many muslims as they can. While openly assassinating Iranian generals with precision missile strikes.
Absolutely shocked that Muslim fundies hate most of the same people Christian fundies do, yet are too stupid to realize the leopard will come for them eventually.
Shocked I say.
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In the little exerpt included in with the submission, a spokesman makes it clear that they would be worse off in the short run if trump gets elected, but they are thinking long term.
And this comment is implying they are pro trump…and it’s the highest voted comment? What’s going on here?
A lot of people feel justified in not actually listening to others and judging them from afar as what is happening. They feel justified in doing this for very specific reasons.
We live in a two party system. If you form a coalition to make Biden lose, then you’re making Trump win. They’re pro-Trump because they’re helping Trump. What’s going on is a fascist takeover of our country. We aren’t giving slack to anyone who enables fascism. The fascists will kill more people not less. This is bad short term thinking and bad long term thinking. The reward for helping fascists is death.
I agree with you it’s a dumb move. But dear God, they’re literally telling you, almost explicitly, that they don’t support the trump (basically supporting noone in the up coming election) and you’re still desperately torturing logic and twisting words to deny it. Is it really so hard for you to accept reality? Is it really so hard for you to accept that things are not so black and white?
It is that black and white. We live in a two party system, that’s reality. It’s not twisting words, it’s math. If one candidate doesn’t win, the other candidate does. Republicans are overrepresented by the electoral college, not voting helps them win. The support may be inadvertent, but it’s still support. They can say they don’t support Trump all they want. If they don’t vote for Biden, they are supporting Trump.
The support may be inadvertent, but it’s still support.
Using this tortured logic, if one doesn’t move to a swing state, even if they support and vote for Biden, their non action inadvertently helps trump get elected, so they actually support Trump.
It’s painfully dumb.
Republicans typically represent rural communities with low populations and high surface area. The electoral college votes are allocated to states based on the number of senators and representatives. Both of these are in turn skewed in favor of Republicans as each state gets two senators no matter what and the total number of house seats is capped at 435. Since neither chamber is properly apportioned by population, Republicans are overrepresented in both chambers.
Using this tortured logic, if one doesn’t move to a swing state, even if they support and vote for Biden, their non action inadvertently helps trump get elected, so they actually support Trump.
No one knows for sure which states are swing states until it’s too late. Remember the blue wall in 2016? Not enough democrat voters showed up and what were supposedly blue states went to Trump.
If a person doesn’t vote in an election then they are helping Republicans. If a person doesn’t vote for Biden then they are helping Trump.
A person doesn’t have to declare their undying loyalty to a candidate in order to support them. Making the other guy lose the election is sufficient. Your argument is splitting hairs.
No one knows for sure which states are swing states until it’s too late. Remember the blue wall in 2016? Not enough democrat voters showed up and what were supposedly blue states went to Trump.
Trump didn’t win any blue states, he won most of the swing states. And we also knew these were the close states, and we know which states are likely to be close again. This idea that “well, we plumb just don’t know what will be close states” is pretty much nonsense.
This is a dumb argument used to totally miss the point.
If a person doesn’t vote in an election then they are helping Republicans.
What if that person had voted, they would have voted for Trump? That voter is now hurting Trump’s chances, but according to this big-brain logic, that voter is actually helping Trump! lol.
And a person who doesn’t vote in a swing state is also helping Trump, despite the fact that they might have even voted for Biden. So, again, according to your logic, you can support and vote for Biden and still be a Trump supporter.
Your argument is splitting hairs.
You literally just argued “well, we don’t know for sure which are going to be swing states!” in an attempt to take down my point, and you’re accusing me of splitting hairs by pointing out that not supporting Biden does not mean you support Trump. Holy shit, this is hilarious. Do you even think about what you write down?
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Oh yes because religious people are known for making smart decisions…
Religious people making bad decisions doesn’t preclude people here from not being bright enough to read an excerpt that is right in front of them so they won’t be terribly wrong on what they think is a ridiculous position.
Their idiot’s facade of justification doesn’t stop it from being a ridiculous position.
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Liberals love speculating what MIGHT happen, while ignoring what is actually happening.
You’re not very self-aware, are you?
I’m self aware and aware of harm around me. Your party and Republicans contribute the most harm to society
Ahhh… you’re one one of those “bOtH siDeZ!” kids I’ve heard about.
Carry on with your rhetoric.
Not both sides because they are both on one side, and its not ours. What is it with liberals that love to infantilize while remaining smug and arrogant, does it make them feel intellectually superior? From the left its hard to tell a liberal from a republican.
So, what were trumps worda about muslims when he was president? Since youre concerned with what actually happened.
Still better then genocide. You and your fellow cohorts would be in an uproar if the exact same thing was happening if a republican was in the WH. You don’t care about people’s lives, only the one doing the killing
If supporting Israel is supporting genocide than Trump supports that too. Trump is one of Netanyahus strongest supporters, LOL.
I said nothing about supporting trump, I said oppose Biden. But Biden does happen to be the largest recipient of JStreet money
Opposing Biden is supporting Trump unfortunately in our two party system. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good
Instead of voters punching left, they should be making demands of the DNC to replace Biden.
“Me and my cohorts” you seem to know who I am. Why dont you tell me about myself, and I can explain a “false dichotomy” to you.
You and your fellow cohorts would be in an uproar if the exact same thing was happening if a republican was in the WH.
You’re making it obvious that you have a double-standard and are simply projecting that.
There’s no double standard, your comment makes the assumption I advocate for a Republican
There’s no double standard, your comment makes the assumption I advocate for a Republican
I made no such assumption. But considering how quickly you jumped on this despite me not saying, it’s clear how much you were intentionally baiting it.
Projecting and not arguing in good faith. Probably should be obvious from your name that you’re just a bad troll.
