• Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world
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    This is such a bullshit article. Yeah the NRA is a terrible organization and there are a lot of reasons to attack them. But attacking the educational, gun safety and shooting sports programs that they offer or fund is complete bullshit and is detrimental to the public good.

    This is like saying we shouldn’t offer driving classes because one day a student might get into an accident.

    Correlation is not causation.

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      Interesting take

      Would it not be better to teach kids that handguns are unnecessary, and only owned by criminals and cowards?

      Or is that a bit too 21st century?

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        Why not both?

        Guns are a fact of life in the US. Kids will be exposed to them. For every child killed in a mass shooting there are many more accidentally killed due to unsafe handling.

        Ignoring this fact is the gun equivalent of “just say no.”

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        Every person should know how to safely handle a firearm. They don’t necessarily need to be expert shots, but they should know how to not accidentally shoot someone with one.

        I’m a liberal gun owner and I have a standing offer to all of my anti-gun friends to show them and their families how to handle firearms, and the NRA has some great resources for teaching him safety for kids.

        They’re an evil organization, but they do a few things right.

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        What a bat shit insane take. 99.999% or more of guns are not used in crime. And how absolutely fucking ableist of you to assume everyone is physically capable of defending themself in hand to hand combat

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        Telling children that drugs are bad, just say no, and never teaching them any actual information really worked out great. Drugs are outright illegal for everyone, why didn’t that stop drugs?

        Let’s take that approach to something new that can be used to scare and divide people. Gun are bad, just say no. Make them all illegal. It’s not like there are 19 year old felons with full auto hand guns already all over YouTube and tiktok(that’s 3 federal crimes if you don’t realize).

        Keep people scared and divided. If they aren’t they might start focusing on things that would actually save us like Healthcare, housing, income, employment, stability that everyone can have on our age of abundance.

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          Except for all the parts in the world that have proven it true. No, you should just keep your head in the sand and rely purely on hope that someone you know won’t be killed.

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                  Young children shouldn’t be using guns at all. Teenagers should only be using guns at authorised shooting ranges with direct 1 to 1 supervision with a trained and certified staff member - not just any adult or parent at home.

                  There is no need to play with guns, and the risk of harm to others is grossly disproportionate to your desire to have a bit of fun. Your freedom for fun impinges on the freedoms of others to merely be alive and healthy, thus your freedom should be heavily restrained in this instance.

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          Guns are meant to kill at a distance without your opponent touching you or possibly even seeing you, they are fundamentally a cowardly weapon.

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            The phrase “never bring a gun to a knife fight” is referring to intelligence not bravery.

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              How about “idioms don’t dictate real life and people are dieing”, does that jive with you?

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              I’d rather they didn’t kill each other at all, it’s weird that you’re so defensive about being able to murder people easier.

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                That isn’t at all what I stated or implied. You are the one who thought it was brave to kill people close up.

                Maybe you should spend some time working on yourself.

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                  Lol, that isn’t at all what I stated or implied. You’re the one who thought it was brave to kill people from far away.

                  Have fun with your guns. Coward.

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            Your perspective is incredibly narrow.

            Must be nice to never have to worry about defending yourself from attackers who overpower you or who have weapons.

            Definitely all those black people with guns facing down the racists with guns at the Tulsa Race Massacre should’ve been brave and fought fisticuffs, 21st century style. /S (Yes I’m well aware their homes and businesses were burned to the ground despite attempts to defend themselves).

            The Black Panthers were just cowards. /S

            The trans folks at Tenacious Unicorn Ranch definitely were cowards for not facing bigots threatening to kill them with fists and harsh words. /S

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              I’ve literally only ever seen a gun take a life that didn’t deserve it. How many home invaders have you personally staved off? You know this isn’t 1921 anymore, right?

              The gun culture in this country is toxic and you’re part of the problem spreading that bs to justify your own peace of mind. I’m sure you only need Jesus and your ar-15 to survive but the rest of us would like to go to the grocery store without worrying about the place being shot up by some nut job that picked up a rifle at the corner shop on a whim.

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    Yes, because what America REALLY needs are school shooters with better aim.

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    It’s 4-H. That is not exactly a radical organization.

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    So glad to see the NRA are finally training the kids. It’s always been obvious that the main reason for school shootings is that the children have been failing to protect themselves. After all, more adults with guns has greatly reduced the number of adult shootings, because why wouldn’t it? Good guys with the guns always stop bad guys with guns.

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      This isn’t something new the NRA has always had a role in training Americans to shoot. This article is just complaining that they let 4-H kids learn firearms safety and shoot a 22lr. Which they’ve been doing for decades.

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    Another mass shooting! How PERFECT! I can finally pretend to care about the Constitution again! I’m a Pro Life Republican!

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    I’m surprised the NRA aren’t giving away a free gun to every family member over the age of 6 months. /s

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      That would NEVER happen.

      If the NRA had its way, the kid would be fitted with a holster in the womb.

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        They wouldn’t pay for the surgery. Why cover medical costs when you can buy more guns!

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          They wouldn’t pay for the surgery, but they’d spend millions to pay for the politicians who would sign-in-to-law a mandate that it must be done “for the safety of the children”. It’s then up to the parent to comply with that law at their own cost.

          The end game makes a lot more sense when you factor in the GQP’s forced-birth policies.

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    I’m as anti-NRA as anybody, but 4-H teaching kids to shoot is not a big deal. I taught at a high school in Los Angeles that used to have a shooting range. It also had a marching band. Both are gone. Cutbacks, focus on the required classes, no money for frilly electives.

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      As someone from Belgium (a country where there’s quite a lot of firearms in the hands of hunters and farmers (especially where I grew up) and where FN Herstalt is located), it sounds absolutely insane to have a shooting range at a school.

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        Well, it was a long time ago, and it probably had to do with the ROTC, which was a program to prepare high school students for military service.

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      That’s not sarcastic. You fools can’t even use that bollocks right.

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    Hahaha so they have better skill in the future when they snap and kill half their school.

    Omg republican really do be thinking with their wallets and not their pea sized brains