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I’m still not convinced that one can be both a Zionist and Jewish.
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Everyone that is not Jewish or Asian is thus lazy?
All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.
There are many cultures, but to consider them inequal is racist. Just remember that with so many of them some inevitably have to suck though, just don’t hate them for being bad.
Prove it, removed. Show me god. And show me where she chose you to be special.
Your previous statement is unprovable making this follow up conclusion wrong. Demanding equality of all people, both in respect and expectations, is not bigotry–elevating one group above others (even with the false justification that god told you it was okay) is definitionally bigotry.
You’re right, you could artificially be elevating them based on your fanfic.
Why should all other groups of people the world over elevate your own just cause you believe they should. Again, your foundational argument–that god told you you were special–remains unproven and unprovable. To elevate your group above all others is bigotry.
It is only opposition if Jews actually are superior, which they are not. Equality from a position of power may feel like inequality, but it fundamentally is just equality.
It seems like you couldn’t keep this part to just 14 words, could you?
Canaan fell over 3000 years ago. Israel is a colonial construct, not a homeland.
*sigh* No. Equality is not mandatory survitude or subjugation. It’s like actually the exact opposite of that. Those who like Jews but not Zionists recognize the equality we should all strive for and reject the harms of colonialism, the intrinsic Jewish supremacy baked into Zionist ideals, and the ongoing terror that Israel has wrought on ALL its neighbors.
Zoroastrianism; We don’t know how many “universes” there are as our observations are limited to a subset of the one in which we reside, and some of our models do not rule out other universes; Democracy is not equality nor is it inherently Jewish.
I have no problem throwing mud on individuals: Abraham raped his wife’s servant (allegedly), Moses was consistently quick to anger leading him to (allegedly) disobey direct orders from god and even commit murder, Jesus started a doomsday cult that led to severe discrimination, bigotry, and hatred over the next 2 thousand years, Einstein was racist, Herzl was a Zionist (duh; also a fault I hold with this oped’s author). None of those criticism has anything to do with Jewishness because there’s nothing inherently wrong with Jewishness.
removed, the Armenian genocide helped define genocide. The genocide against the Jews AND OTHERS wasn’t inherently worse because it included Jews. It was bad because killing anyone for who they are is bad and killing a lot of people of similar backgrounds with intent to eradicate everyone like them is also bad.
It challenges supremacy. You conflate anti-Zionism with antisemitism so when you observe people criticising the effects of Zionism you also conflate it with criticism of you.
It’s not
They aren’t
Among some, though this is bigotry and not a mainstream view.
It’s not special. It’s bog standard bigotry. Bigotry toward a specific group may hurt more if you are part of that group, but it doesn’t make it worse than bigotry toward other groups.
Fuck this guy, y’all. Not because of his background or immutable characteristics, but because his ideas are bad, wrong, and dangerous. To exalt your own ingroup above all others for any reason is wrong–it is bigotry, and criticism of that exaltation is not bigotry–it is the bare minimum, a moral obligation, and necessary to protect everyone else.
Genocide is wrong.
The Holocaust was wrong.
The Pogroms were wrong.
The Nakba was wrong.
The illegal occupation of Palestine is wrong.
The Israeli genocide against the Palestinian people as part of the illegal occupation is wrong.
From the river to the sea - Hourriya!
Thank you and sorry for your service in reading all that, I am requesting medical leave for your brain