“It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

The New York City chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America is facing a political firestorm after the organization promoted a pro-Palestine rally in the wake of Hamas militants’ attacks on Israeli communities.

The group did not organize Sunday’s rally, its leadership said Monday. But several lawmakers with DSA ties are distancing themselves from what was said at the event.

“It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y) and one of six DSA members in Congress, said in a statement late Monday — her first comments on the rally.

“The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment. It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas’ horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation,” she said.

  • Son_of_dad@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    103
    arrow-down
    12
    ·
    1 year ago

    Whenever there’s an anti Israel protest, you can guarantee it will devolve into anti Semitism. For some reason you can speak about Palestinians without thinking about their ethnicity and religion but if you bring up Israel the Jew hate jumps out. My wife is Canadian Jewish and has no interest in Israel or politics, but she still gets shit on about Israel, as if every Jewish person on earth is Israeli.

    You have to seperate the racism and bigotry from the call to end occupation or nobody will ever listen to you.

    • dustyData@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      83
      arrow-down
      12
      ·
      1 year ago

      I agree, but you have to remember that the Israeli state wants it this way. They want the world to conflate Jewish and Israeli in order to hide their own fascism. And they will drag every Jewish person to their pit if allowed to. Just like Hamas wants to tangle every Muslim into their warped worldview with their holy war bullshit excuse for violence.

        • Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          4
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          1 year ago

          Well, I read a lot of people’s opinions on why China needs to get nuked since they are lesser humans on mainstream reddit subs, it is not like there is a lot of racism and general hate against China and its citizens on the internet.

          • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            11
            ·
            1 year ago

            Which mainstream reddit subs are these? I used to read r/all but never saw anything like this

            • DragonTypeWyvern
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              PCM

              Don’t worry, they checked to see if you laughed before they decided how much they were joking.

              • Hoomod@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                1 year ago

                Political compass memes or something?

                A lot of those “both sides” or “free speech” subs are really just right wing with a mask on

              • nonailsleft@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                Haha lol that’s a right wing memesub that’s barely in the top 1000. Sure I’m still interested to see examples that they advocate for genocide against the Chinese even there, but it already goes to show the accusation that there’s a lot of it happening on mainstream subs is just a big fat lie

    • alvvayson@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      It doesn’t help that the pro-Israel factions accuses anyone criticizing Israel an anti-semite, even other Semitic people.

      It seems that Jews are the only people that can criticize Israel without being called anti-semite. They get the self-hating Jew label instead.

    • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      19
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      Tbf that’s probably by Israel’s design.

      The more people are bullied into associating with Israel by antisemites, the more likely they are to hop on the right of return bandwagon.

      This is partially because they want their own version of america’s demographic life support, partially because they want more settlers, and partially because they still have a SERIOUS chip on the shoulder over how American jews flatly rejected Zionism and the creation of Israel at the outset.

    • Serdan@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      What anti-Semitic things were said at this particular rally? Do you know? Maybe I missed something, but the article seems rather sparse on details.

      • YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        13
        ·
        1 year ago

        There were no anti-semitic things spoken. The issue is that both sides lack leadership and diplomacy. There must be a third party that comes in and breaks up the fighting.

        • Serdan@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          17
          ·
          1 year ago

          The article is about a specific rally being condemned for being “reprehensible”. I want to know why it’s being called that and Politico is entirely unhelpful.

    • flossdaily@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Anti-israel protests are anti-Semitic the same way that police stop-and-frisk policies are racist.

      If you’re only subjecting one particular group to this special standard of scrutiny, it really doesn’t matter if you, personally, are a bigot. You’re participating in a bigoted system.

  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    73
    arrow-down
    7
    ·
    1 year ago

    This is shit-tier journalism. Who said something antisemitic and what specifically did they say? Without that information this is merely propaganda.

  • blazera@kbin.social
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    35
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    1 year ago

    Article has no examples of anti-semitism allegedly at the rally. Criticizing Israel is no more racist than criticizing China for their uyghur genocide

    • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      3
      ·
      1 year ago

      This reminds me of the accusations of antisemitism that Jeremy Corbyn attracted during the last election in the UK. I kept asking for evidence of his antisemitism but nobody attacking him could provide anything of substance.

      • VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        As far as I recall, he attended a funeral where one of the other guests had loose ties to an extremist group.

        Some flimsy bullshit like that is why the next general election is going to be a choice between fascism and a feckless centrist party led by a wooden doll that wishes it was a real Tony Blair 😮‍💨

        • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          1 year ago

          Guilt by association? I hate that it worked and I hate that people who are sympathetic to Israel would stoop so low.

          • VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            1 year ago

            Yeah, I couldn’t agree more tbh. I tried, but turns out there isn’t a higher level of agreement than “total” 🤷

    • Xariphon@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      16
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Don’t you know? The Zionist definition of “antisemitism” includes “literally any criticism of their genocidal apartheid ethnostate, including pointing out that it is, in fact, a genocidal apartheid ethnostate.”

    • TAG@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      Not really. She is an idealist and visionary. She has an idea for what the future of the country should be, but, from what I have seen, she never gets too deep in the details of how to achieve it. We need people like her to say that we should not be using fossil fuels to power our transportation, but we also need people who can determine how much funding the government needs to provide to put more chargers on public parking, what the fine would be for hogging the parking spot, how many parking enforcement officers we will need to patrol them all, how much the power grid will need to be updated to provide power to the chargers…

      Yes, many of the details fall to the executive branch to execute, but Congress needs to allocate funding for it, remove legal barriers, decide on penalties for non-compliance, etc.

    • endhits@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      23
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      1 year ago

      Calling the DSA tankie is absolutely hilarious. They’re pretty much just a subsidiary of the democratic party.

    • Sunforged@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      21
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      Examples of tankie tendencies of the DSA amd so forth? Lol this is hilarious because all the DSA does is tail democrats and cover for them.

      • agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        15
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        1 year ago

        Yeah calling the DSA tankie is the wildest take ive seen lately and that’s including all the other Palestine-Isreal threads.

      • Maeve@kbin.social
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        1 year ago

        And she’s not a democratic socialist by any stretch of the fevered dreams of imagination.

  • Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    1 year ago

    People have to create good guys/bad guys to suit their point of view I guess. This time it’s not that easy, the picture is not that clear for most. But, the vile animalistic acts of Hamas can’t be justified in any way. Now, I expect Israel to be draconian in their approach which will light them up more.

  • Astroturfed@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    14
    arrow-down
    10
    ·
    1 year ago

    It’s almost like the Muslims want to exterminate Israel so if you protest Israel they show up and genocide is obviously their goal. Israel sucks but I’d never show up to an anti Israel rally for a reason.

    • Raikin@feddit.de
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      In my experience it strongly depends on the organizers. The latest pro-palestine rally i attended was organized by some leftist organizations in coalition with local palestinians and that rally worked out very well. Some conspiracy nuts with signs how Jews rule the world were told to fuck off by some Antifa guys and everything else went very well. Also no national flags besides palestinian ones were allowed, i appreciated that a lot.

    • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      28
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      1 year ago

      The group did not organize Sunday’s rally, its leadership said Monday. But several lawmakers with DSA ties are distancing themselves from what was said at the event.

      Sure ya were, bud. Or, shittttt, maybe you were and just not mature enough not to let perfection be the enemy of good.

      • Lopen's Left Arm@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        13
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        1 year ago

        The DSA in New York promoted and supported this rally, the fact that they didn’t organize the thing directly is meaningless. I’m not associating with this kind of sentiment.

        This is not a lack of perfection, this is an abhorrent cheering and support of terrorism against innocent civilians. I can direct my political efforts to the cause of progress without continuing to support a group that thinks that is acceptable.