The 2nd season was already in production when the allegations/proof came out, and I guess Netflix did not want to just burn all that money for nothing.
But they did cancel the 3rd season
Not defending him in any way, but has there been more proof released? Last I saw he was investigated by authorities and there wasn’t enough evidence to prove a criminal case. And I get not enough to prove a criminal case doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, but it also means there isn’t much evidence. Again, not defending him. This kind of behavior is gross and unacceptable.
I get that, but I tend to think the burden of proof in a criminal case is much higher than the burden of proof to believe a victim outside of a courtroom.
In this case I don’t think there is any reason to doubt the victims, and the pressure and evidence points to victims tending to not come forward, the fact that there are multiple accusations from multiple victims indicates to me a much higher probability that Gaiman is guilty of some sexual crimes than not. Luckily my opinion or assessment of Gaiman’s behavior doesn’t have consequences like jail time, so my beliefs do not demand the same scrutiny as a judge’s or a jury’s.
Not that it’s wrong to think about the evidence, but culturally I think we tend to discount survivors and victims more than we validate them, and that can make questions about evidence really difficult, even harmful. Still, we obviously can’t ignore the problem of evidence, but luckily that’s primarily a concern for the courts (not that being cancelled doesn’t have consequences, and “cancel culture” can be reactive, essentializing, and unfair - that’s probably something we should collectively think about more).
A fair breakdown, and logically thought out opinion. Rare these days. Looking at the evidence you provided makes me lean heavily in the same direction as yourself. The reactivity of online “cancel culture” is what had me second guessing, especially since the authorities dropped it. Thanks for taking the time to help me better understand the situation and get the full picture.
He was investigated by the New Zealand authorities. What has happened with the other women has not been investigated as far as I know.
The New Zealand case became a civil lawsuit.
With the UK woman who accused him of pressuring her to give him oral when she could no longer pay her rent, Gaiman has sued her for breaking a nondisclosure agreement.
I’m not sure what has happened with the other women. Gaiman’s own statements on it have not endeared him to people.
Thank you for the updated information. Absolutely abhorrent behavior. I Google’d around a bit myself but most of the articles focused more on his TV show cancellations…
Yeah, that’s just what Netflix does. They cancel shows. I’m skeptical that the cancelation decision was made because of gaiman’s allegations. If it was I don’t see how continuing production on season 2 after the fact makes any sense.
From what I’ve read, they did cancel the 3rd season - maybe not directly because of what Gaiman did, but for sure because it’s not very cash money to do productions with him right now
The 2nd season was already in production when the allegations/proof came out, and I guess Netflix did not want to just burn all that money for nothing. But they did cancel the 3rd season
Not defending him in any way, but has there been more proof released? Last I saw he was investigated by authorities and there wasn’t enough evidence to prove a criminal case. And I get not enough to prove a criminal case doesn’t mean he didn’t do it, but it also means there isn’t much evidence. Again, not defending him. This kind of behavior is gross and unacceptable.
I get that, but I tend to think the burden of proof in a criminal case is much higher than the burden of proof to believe a victim outside of a courtroom.
In this case I don’t think there is any reason to doubt the victims, and the pressure and evidence points to victims tending to not come forward, the fact that there are multiple accusations from multiple victims indicates to me a much higher probability that Gaiman is guilty of some sexual crimes than not. Luckily my opinion or assessment of Gaiman’s behavior doesn’t have consequences like jail time, so my beliefs do not demand the same scrutiny as a judge’s or a jury’s.
Not that it’s wrong to think about the evidence, but culturally I think we tend to discount survivors and victims more than we validate them, and that can make questions about evidence really difficult, even harmful. Still, we obviously can’t ignore the problem of evidence, but luckily that’s primarily a concern for the courts (not that being cancelled doesn’t have consequences, and “cancel culture” can be reactive, essentializing, and unfair - that’s probably something we should collectively think about more).
A fair breakdown, and logically thought out opinion. Rare these days. Looking at the evidence you provided makes me lean heavily in the same direction as yourself. The reactivity of online “cancel culture” is what had me second guessing, especially since the authorities dropped it. Thanks for taking the time to help me better understand the situation and get the full picture.
He was investigated by the New Zealand authorities. What has happened with the other women has not been investigated as far as I know.
The New Zealand case became a civil lawsuit.
With the UK woman who accused him of pressuring her to give him oral when she could no longer pay her rent, Gaiman has sued her for breaking a nondisclosure agreement.
I’m not sure what has happened with the other women. Gaiman’s own statements on it have not endeared him to people.
Thank you for the updated information. Absolutely abhorrent behavior. I Google’d around a bit myself but most of the articles focused more on his TV show cancellations…
here are the things I’ve read:
overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gaiman#Sexual_assault_and_misconduct_allegations
some reporting: https://www.vulture.com/article/neil-gaiman-allegations-controversy-amanda-palmer-sandman-madoc.html
note: content warning, NSFL
Yeah, that’s just what Netflix does. They cancel shows. I’m skeptical that the cancelation decision was made because of gaiman’s allegations. If it was I don’t see how continuing production on season 2 after the fact makes any sense.
From what I’ve read, they did cancel the 3rd season - maybe not directly because of what Gaiman did, but for sure because it’s not very cash money to do productions with him right now