“Ketamine: Negative” lol.
These drug tests are as legit as those solar roof panels he was showing
Does this mean that Musk’s address is stored on Fastest Lab’s servers?
Edit: nvm I found his address
If he has not enough computer skills to fake such a document, he probably has someone who can. Just like has people playing games for him.
There is an addendum:
Oh great, a screenshot posted by the guy known to pay people to pretend to be him being good at games, who has spent the last few years— damn I mean the last few months, trying to see whether he can set the bar higher for destroying net worth or the lives of uncountable people all over the world.
Can we overlook the potential fact that he’s not on drugs and focus on him admitting that he acts the way he acts WITHOUT drugs as an excuse?
Fr is the crazy all natty
So he’s like Beavis and Butt-Head. Even when they drink non-alcoholic beer they still act drunker than most drunks.
Drugs deserve better than to be associated with elon. I won’t let him ruin ketamine for the children.
Like when Fox News got their hands on 40,000 hours of January 6 footage, and edited a 2 minute montage of people being not committing mayhem, and then used that carefully edited clip to claim the allegations of violence were liberal lies.
the shithead smoked pot on a podcast, and he expects people to believe this?
I once saw someone try to say he didn’t inhale as a defense for him. What the fuck is wrong with people trying to defend this fucking nazi.
Do you think a person who smoked pot on a podcast is unable to pass a drug screening in the future?
No, and I didn’t say that.
No, but they aren’t drug free either. There is literally evidence for that.
How can he expect us to believe this when his blood isn’t even on the blockchain?
They test for “ecstacy”, the street name, not “MDMA” the official name? Where did he get these test results from, his dealer?
Opiates are tested, and oxycodone? But oxycodone is an opiate. Is this list created by chatgpt?
It says it was a urine sample. As if the richest man in the world cannot get a clean urine sample from someone. It’s probably from the only kid he gives attention (to block snipers when he’s out in the open). That’s probably why the kid punched him in the face. Because daddy wanted to touch his pipi.
So I’m familiar with this organization for reasons.
USDTL itself is the real deal. Not a drug testing expert, but it’s probable the assay used flags positive for Ecstasy in the presence of either MDMA and/or MDMA metabolites like MDA. Like the guy below you said, it’s also common to separate out oxy from opiates - an opiate screen from this lab detects codeine, hydrocodone, hydromorphone, and morphine. The oxy screen flags positive in the presence of oxycodone and oxymorphone.
None of this is to say it’s actually Elon’s urine, though - I’d usually give USDTL the benefit of the doubt re: chain of custody, but the guy has too much money and brainwashees to totally rule out this being an unsupervised collection where someone else’s pee was swapped in. Send me an uncut video of a hair collection, with the specimen id clearly marked and everything packaged up to forensic standards on camera, and I might have less doubt.
At least in that case, any fuckery after the fact is a great way to lose CAP accreditation.
Even pissing from your own dick it’s super fucking easy to dilute through your own kidneys with the right mixture of electrolyte solution and creatine supplements. The only way a piss test is valid is if it’s a surprise and you watch the person piss.
As someone that doesn’t know anything about drugtests, how long are these things still testable?
Ketamine shows up in urine for a couple of weeks maybe. A blood test would show it 24h - three days.
Hair tests are most reliable to check for long term substance use. From hair it would be detectable for months.
This is said to be a urine test, but cheating those is pretty trivial as well. The way urine tests work is that they just check the values and if your value of a certain drug is under a certain threshold, even if some is detected, it’s counted as a negative. So if you drink tons of water, you can dilute your piss, making it less likely that the test will flag any metabolites in your pee. However, to counter this, labs also test your creatine value, which is an indicator if you’ve diluted your pee or not. However, to fool that particular check, all you need to do is take a creatine supplement, so you’ll have too high levels of creatine, but when you dilute your piss, they’ll be on the normal level. So the piss will be extremely diluted, while still having a “normal pee” creatine value, making the tester think it’s good, while it’s actually not.
So this genuinely proves jack shit. I mean, if it’s not faked in any way, then what it “proves” is that Elon isn’t a 247 weeder and has been without hard drugs for like, half a week. And that really isn’t a sign of not being addicted, desperately trying to prove you’re not the junkie people say you are by being sober for the better part of one week after the whole world has turned on you and everything you own is going to shit.
If you only consume occasionally pretty much all of those substances are only testable 1-3 days after consuming them, if you’re a regular user it’s usually between 5-7 days maximum.
As a regular user Ketamine could be tested up to 14 days in your urine. THC has the longest timeframe with up to 60 days when you use regularly.
Will share what I know, but for the record I’m a layman - any toxicologists in the house?
Depends on the compound, dosage, frequency of use, sample type, and test method. A screening immunoassay, for instance, will usually have a higher cut off than an LC-MS/MS (liquid chromatography tandem mass spectrometry) test. Good rule of thumb for your typical urine drug of abuse screen is 2 to 3 days, but again this varies (THC, for instance, can be detected for a loong time depending how big a stoner you are/how long you’ve used).
The stuff folks are mostly worried about re: Elon? About 2-3 days, assuming the typical urine DoA screen.
Now, you can also test other sample types (hair, nails, etc.), and in which case some compounds are detectable for much longer (90 days, etc.). But that window is also impacted by stuff like (in the case of hair, for example) how much hair is collected, where it’s collected (scalp v. body hair), how long after last use it’s collected, etc.
Send me an uncut video of a hair collection, with the specimen id clearly marked and everything packaged up to forensic standards on camera, and I might have less doubt.
You know all his hair are implants right?
Even the ones on his balls?
(Sort of kidding, though fr I’d prefer a body hair collection anyway)
I just don’t care. If it comes out without a doubt he’s on drugs, people will use it as an excuse for his behavior. While in fact he’s a fucking nazi asshole with or without drugs.
True - I just want him caught in another lie for the hell of it tbh, no matter what his choices re: chemical recreation he’s a piece of shit.
weirdly enough I typically see oxycodone listed separately from opiates in urine drug screens my guess is there’s an easy enough test to tell the difference and oxycodone is a commonly enough prescribed pill so there are times when it is useful to see if you’re taking legit prescriptions vs you’re self medicating off the street vs you’re diverting your own scripts to the street
the rest i dunno
Fair
The MDMA bit was my first thought, a lot of things are sold as ecstacy and not that similar of a compound and probably less similar of an effect…mean from my rave days and all I had that experience.
Extacy is not MDMA but a pill that contains MDMA (and sometimes some nice extras).
MDMA is the pure goodness that you dip your finger into.Also there is no specific extacy test since MDMA belongs to the amphetamine family (like speed and meth) and they will test for that.
This test result sounds like BS.Also read the reviews for this testing lab.
And why did he choose that one if he’s in Texas?Ecstacy is a pill form of MDMA and should not contain extras. It could have MDEA and MDA instead of MDMA, which are very similar. It mostly depends on the chemicals these factories are able to get. The fact that junk pills do contain other stuff like caffeine, doesnt make Ecstacy normally a mix. There are mix pills which contain amphetamine, 2CB or LSD but these are sold under their own, different name.
I don’t know if you’ve ever seen a pill factory from the inside, but I have here in the Netherlands. Also I’ve seen loads of ecstacy tests, as we are free to test our drugs here.
It’s been well over a decade since I’ve dabbled in this sort of scene, but it was stupid common for “ecstasy” to be adulterated with other substances (often miscellaneous amphetamines) in my region. Everything, mixed or not, would be sold as ecstasy if in tablet form. You’d generally have to look up the pressing on a third-party site to check for quality, if you didn’t test yourself (my friends were young and broke). This was in a major coastal city in the United States, for reference.
Not trying to say you’re wrong, but just relating why the previous commenter may have had their impression.
“Ecstacy is a pill form of MDMA and should not contain extras.”
It’s illegal so they can do what they want.
Some pills certainly do have extras and are sold as extacy.
I’m from Antwerp, nr 1 in coke use every year and a lot of times for MDMA, as shown in the sewage water tests (also develloped here).
And most extacy is produced here, even weed since they moved from NL when they got targeted.
We also have pill tests at festivals etc showing the extras I said. Not ‘junk’ like caffeine or whatever.
Maybe that’s for countries where drugs are rare and need to fake it.
Here a pil costs a few Euro. Nobody would buy that crap.It’s nice you think that, but it is false. Pills are actually tested and you can find the results online. As you can see, nearly all ecstacy pills only contain MDMA, only very few contain caffeine or a miniscule amount of byproduct (like 1mg).
So if you have other data showing xtc contains other stuff, please post it.
I’ve had pills tested since I started partying, which was exactly 20 years ago. I’ve seen maaaany test results. For work I’ve been inside discovered and raided pill factories and I’ve seen the chemicals they used there. I don’t know what you Belgians put in your pills, but our Dutch pills are MDMA or MDA, depending on the resources available. And since xtc is probably our biggest export, I assume it won’t be much different world wide (although export pills usually contain far lower quantities of MDMA, our pills here are much stronger)
Adulterants in MDMA
Individuals who use MDMA risk ingesting unknown substances, which are often found in illicitly purchased ecstasy pills, capsules, tablets, and powders. They may think they’re purchasing ecstasy when they are, in fact, buying other substances instead of or in addition to MDMA.10,11 These substances can vary widely, and may include:
Fentanyl. In 2020, more than 10,000 psychostimulant-involved overdose deaths (mostly methamphetamine) also involved synthetic opioids (primarily fentanyl).6 Amphetamines. Amphetamines, such as methamphetamine, can produce similar effects to the stimulant properties of ecstasy. Thus, amphetamines are often sold in place of or with MDMA. Moderate doses can produce adverse health effects, including mood disturbances, anxiety, insomnia, and addiction. High doses can cause overdose and death.2 Para-methoxyamphetamine(PMA)/para-methoxymethamphetamine (PMMA). Both PMA and PMMA are illicit stimulants that have been detected in samples of MDMA or masqueraded as MDMA entirely. Case reports have found evidence of PMA- and PMMA-related deaths in individuals who use ecstasy.2 Dextromethorphan (DXM). An ingredient found in over-the-counter cough suppressants, DXM can cause a “high” similar to ecstasy when taken in high doses due to its dissociative/euphoric effects. However, adverse effects at high doses include drowsiness, elevated heart rate, poor muscle control, involuntary eye movements, and an increased risk of heatstroke.2 Ketamine. Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic with hallucinogenic properties. It is often discovered in contaminated MDMA samples.2 Caffeine. Caffeine may be added to MDMA to bulk up the sample and because its stimulant properties may create effects that are similar (but milder) to MDMA.2 Eutylone and other synthetic cathinones. Colloquially referred to as bath salts, eutylone and other synthetic cathinones have been detected in MDMA samples. In fact, the supply of eutylone increased so rapidly in the United States from 2017-2021, that authorities issued public alerts about the potential risk of overdose associated with it. Studies show that roughly 1 in 10 eutylone-involved deaths in 2020, had evidence of current or past MDMA use but no toxicology findings of MDMA, which supports the idea that individuals unintentionally ingest eutylone when they think they are taking MDMA.12I started partying 20 years before you when you could take pills and cops just let you drive on after doing the alcohol test. 😂 They didn’t know shit for years.
Also years before MDMA was commonly sold to end users.
I never tested pills, I got them from reliable sources.
But from experience with other substances you know and recognise their presence occasionally, some trippy, some speedy.
And confirmed by others using the same.
No test needed.I’m very surprised you don’t have any results showing that.
Nobody will ruin their name or product by putting large amounts of totally different substances in it with unforseen and dangerous consequences but besides color, shape and logo, a touch of something speedy or hallucinogenic as unique selling point sounds like something to expect.
There is not only plain chocolate, but chocolate with nuts, fruits, caramel, etc…You copied a binch of text. Source?
I know stuff is being sold as XTC, which turns out not to be XTC. That’s still not XTC. That is called a scam.
When they add stuff to it, like 2CB for example, they don’t sell it as XTC but under a different name. If a dealer sells it under the XTC name, he’s mislabeling his own product and making a loss as these combo pills usually are more expensive.
I started partying 20 years before you when you could take pills and cops just let you drive on after doing the alcohol test.
I was a late bloomer, I started partying when I was 18 and now I’m 38. I also have experience with cops just checking alcohol and nothing else, I just never drove while being on drugs. Because that is fucking stupid, I’ve had friends die that way. But since you started 20 years before me, you’re in you’re 50’s nearing 60’s if I’m counting right, correct?
I never tested pills, I got them from reliable sources.
Right. So your source had them tested and told you the results?
But from experience with other substances you know and recognise their presence occasionally, some trippy, some speedy.
And confirmed by others using the same.
No test needed.There is a wide variety of trip substances so how do you know which one is in it? Did you know MDA also has a tripping effect? Bar tables, crowd control fences and everyone wearing glasses happen only with XTC, not any other trip drug. The pills which have these effects, I don’t know if you remember but like the orange Q base pills years ago, often have very high MDA quantities. Back in the days they sometimes added some amphetamine but they also added glass fibers so it would work faster by damaging your esophagus. But the speedy effect mostly came from how the process was done with forming the MDMA or MDA with the pill powder substance, which is what is also used in medicine to form pills.
I know exactly what you mean when it comes to experience. This one is more trippy, that one is more energetic. I’ve had a wide scala of substances over the years, the good old classics and many new designer ones. You say you didn’t need the data. I did see the data and saw experts explain why things are the way they are. I find data and experts more reliable than my own experience because there can be so much more to it I don’t know.
And please, especially in these days with the rise of designer drugs and trends from the Americas being pushed over here (like meth, oxycodon and fentanyl), have your stuff tested. Or make sure your trusted sourse had it tested, and doesn’t just rely on their source like you are relying on them. Sadly we need to be more careful we will actually get what we want. But the point is, XTC is MDMA (or a variant like MDA) in pill form and shouldn’t contain any other substance. If it does, it’s dangerous as people don’t know what they are taking.
So far the main issue is that the quality is going down due to harder to get resources. I could see this to turn into a future where they add other stuff into it, which I hope they don’t, but so far this mixing thing has mostly happened under different names (like tucybe in South America).
“When they add stuff to it, like 2CB for example, they don’t sell it as XTC but under a different name. If a dealer sells it under the XTC name, he’s mislabeling his own product”
When it’s 95% MDMA and 5% speed, Ket or whatever it’s still XTC.
Like hazelnut chocolate is still chocolate.“was a late bloomer, I started partying when I was 18 and now I’m 38. I also have experience with cops just checking alcohol and nothing else, I just never drove while being on drugs. Because that is fucking stupid, I’ve had friends die that way”
I said that as a period reference, I hope you’re not asuming I did that personally.“Right. So your source had them tested and told you the results?”
No, the testing was done by human guinea pigs.
After which I trusted it, never had any problems and knew no one else with bad pills either.
Probably not that common.
And wasn’t a heavy pill popper anyway so limited risk exposure.“they also added glass fibers so it would work faster by damaging your esophagus.”
That sounds horrible, was this verified?
Media reported the most ridiculous reports and lies which had an adverse effect if you know they’re lying.
OC you hear stories about rat poison and also glass but always figured it was one of those scaremongering tactics.“And please, especially in these days with the rise of designer drugs and trends from the Americas being pushed over here (like meth, oxycodon and fentanyl), have your stuff tested.”
My drug days are pretty much over.
Maybe 2g of Coke per year and a few XTC or 2CB(favorite).
Every few years some LSD or mushroom nature experience.
I will definitely not touch any of theones you mention.
Or do you think they will also contaminate the common recreational drugs with it?Haven’t heard of the resource shortage.
Figured most was pretty easy to come by and just an elaborate process to produce. Still dirt cheap.
So we’re just supposed to believe that the richest man on earth can’t just make up a form, pay wm employee for clean urine, or just pay off the doctor
He must really think we are all as dumb as he is.
There’s a certain kind of ‘smart’ person that thinks everyone else is stupider than them.
Yeah… I find them to be somewhat rare in the wild, but I have met them a few times and I am always so severely secondhand-embarrassed for them that their cringe haunts me almost as much as my own cringe years later.
And I mean, I’m not talking about 20somethings acting cocky and like they know everything like some tend to do becuase that shit is just normal developmental stuff and I don’t mind that. We have all been there.
It’s when real adults act like attention starved, insecure dummies hiding behind fake confidence that I just crumble inside.
Once had a mid 30s guy talk about basic bitch life philosophy in a way like he was almost orgasming at his own brilliance and everybody around the table were so embarrassed for him. I don’t remember what he was talking about, but like… some very basic shit and he kept acting like we were all too stupid to have had these thoughts ourselves. Probably it was something he had only just realized himself. And look, I get it! It’s kinda awesome when some life-wisdom and philosophy-bah blah finally clicks for real in your head as you get older, but because of that guy I have since been scared of sharing any such revelations with anyone becuase I cannot bear the thought of ending up being the dumbest person in the room while I’m high on an epiphany that is nothing special to everybody else. Omg, I can’t even think it without squirming.
I still think about that moment with the guy sometimes at night when I am going to sleep and one would think it would be a relief to force-think about cringe shit someone other than one self has done, but no. No it is isn’t. It is just pain.
I cannot imagine what it would be like to be close to Elon as a family member or a friend. I would have fucking nightly panic attacks over the newest dumb shit he’s done and feel embarrassed that he’s my family member or friend. Like what does that say about me that I have a person like that in my life, right?
I have enough of my own lifelong cringe to carry. I can’t carry other people’s cringe too, man.
The person I had in mind was this dude on a Lego forum I used to frequent. (Fuck me, that was nearly 20 years ago at this point). He was in his 40s or 50s, well paid as a Software Architect, and the most pompous, arrogant arsehole you could imagine, and he found it impossible to conceive that he could ever be wrong about anything. Me and a few mates took great delight in mocking him up our sleeves.
Oh man I would have loved to be in that conversation. Instead of cringing, you start walking them through some of the more advanced corollaries that proceed from that one realization. Keep going until you break them. At that point, you can start having actual interesting conversations with them.
I would have gladly left the floor to you xD personally I’m not gifted at debating. The only time I decided to push back when this guy went on his pseudo philosophical monologues was when he started talking about the Jewish question. It wasn’t very fruitful. I tried to make him understand where he was heading “intellectually” and he told me I was too small minded to think outside the box. We stopped talking eventually. He was one of the biggest tools I have met in my adult life.
Not smart enough to know that there’s a ton of shit they don’t know yet.
it’s there a term for when idiots think they can get away with stuff because they assume everyone is as stupid as them?
vice versa, smart people don’t try stuff because they frear getting caught out called out cause they assume everyone is as smart as them.
The only thing I can think of is the dunning Kruger effect vs imposter syndrome but I don’t think they are accurate in this case.
Because Dunning Kruger is more like when you learn about something new and become overly confident about it while people who are expert in the area are more aware of the complexity of the topic and how much thet don’t know. Dunning Kruger is not necessarily about being dumb and arrogant, but more so a step in learning that tends to be a bit embarrassing in hindsight. I have definitely been there and I have had several students when they are close to graduating their degree act like they understand our industry better than I or my colleagues do. Which is okay because you probably need that confidence when you start out haha.
And imposter syndrome also doesn’t really fit with it either, as it’s more about feeling like a fraud in your field even if you probably aren’t.
There probably are much better terms to explain what you’re describing, but that’s the best I can come up with haha.
Call it the dunning Imposter syndrome
