Settler colonialism a form of imperialism (theft of land, labor and natural resources of a weaker country by a stronger one), where the stronger country sets up a military garrison, and evicts or enslaves the local population. This is border conflict to halt the ever-eastward march of NATO.
The accusations of “russifying the ukrainian language” is pure projection; its the banderites who (with NATO help, Obama bragged about this one) couped Ukraine in 2014 (and who were killing thousands of civilians in the donbass) that have been attempting to make spoken russian illegal in the country. They’ve also been reviving nazi collaborators and building monuments to them as fast as they can.
It was the Bolsheviks (Stalin especially) who strongly supported the creation of a Ukrainian state, as it had a distinct national, lingual, and cultural character, while the western nations were opposed to Ukrainian sovereignty (The fascist dictatorhips of the 30s were essentially at war with all slavic peoples). Modern Russia wants to preserve Ukraine as a buffer state (as it was before 2014). There are many ppl more knowledgeable on lemmygrad and hexbear, that could give you a long background on this conflict.
The Russians have occupied foreign land, commited vast numbers of warcrimes by indiscriminately blowing the shit out of civillian areas at a scale not seen in the region since WW2, and while perhaps not literally enslaving the remaining Ukranian population, they are forcibly destroying the language culture and identity of Ukranians in occupied territories, and they are settling Russian nationals in occupied areas.
That’s settler colonialism.
Move into an area, claim control over it, kill those who resist strongly, kill a bunch of civillians in the take over process, culturally erase and assimilate the remaining local population, and then transplant a bunch of your own citzens from elsewhere into your new territory to make it yours.
Your comment argues against Russia being classic imperialists… which is not the same thing as expansionist settler colonialism.
The two can and often do go hand in hand… but they are not the same thing.
So basically, I can end this here, the vast majority of your reply is off topic.
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But!
You make some statements and claims I find to be wild, so I'll address them in this expandable section.
Efforts to russify the Ukranian language and population are not ‘projection’, they were Soviet policy.
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Yes, there have been and still are fascist Ukranian paramilitary and official military units and actions, and they did do horrible things in Eastern Ukraine, I do not deny that.
2014 being a Banderite coup though?
That’s a bit of a stretch.
It had very significant popular support from far too many people to be reasonably described as such.
That’d be like saying the recent protests against Trump, millions of Americans all over the country… well they’re actually just a Walmart coup because a wealthy Walmart heir paid for a bunch of ads.
The last part is true, the first part is a laughable mischaracterization, to imply that 10+ million Americans are actually staunchly pro Walmart-regime and all of its favored policies.
…
But this is quibbling over semantic phrasing.
Sure, active, violent fascists existed and still exist in Ukraine.
… but the same goes for Russia, to a much greater extent… as modern Russia… is fascist.
Soviet Union collapsed, got shock doctrined into advanced stage capitalism, which also collapsed very fast, and is now led by a chauvanistic patriarchichal strong man dear leader who hates queers and feminists, rules in close collaboration with an oligarchichal elite, which cracks down on free speech, outright runs the media, and is absurdly jingoistic and corrupt, and manipulates elections and basically routinely openly assasinates / imprisons dissidents and political rivals that become too much of a threat… oh right and they also incoperate the religion into the state.
I think Ukraine may be a teensy weensy bit less fascist than Russia on the whole.
Just a tad.
Telling me a fascist nation state is justified invading another flawed democracy that has significant but smaller numbers of fascists in that flawed nation state… is justified… because the small number of fascists are worse than the entire militarized fascist nation state, that has had the same strongman leader for 20 years, who has total control over the entire military of that state… this is like an obviously farsical joke, that this is somehow morally good or justifiable.
…
The US better invade Alberta to … stamp out Trump cult members there, with indiscriminate civillian casualties and then an annexation of Alberta.
???
The actual Nazis should have invaded Spain to uh… yeah, kill all the bad guy Carlistas and Francoistas, with indiscriminate civllian casualties, and then turn most of Spain into Lebensraum: Deutschland Westen.
???
Japan should have invaded China to… wipe out all of Kai-Shek’s forces, with indiscriminate civillian casualties, to establish Beijing down to Hong Kong as a Japanese colony instead of a Western one.
???
Does self determination just not factor into your worldview?
Do you just not believe that a flawed system capable of some level of democratic representatiom… is preferable to that which offers none?
…
Finally, if the idea here is that the ends justify the means, and the ends are: Stop NATO expansionism… well, that’s arguably massively failed, as Europe is now militarily preparing itself to be able to defend against Russia without the US.
Finland and Sweden joined NATO after Russia did this thing that was supposed to produce the opposite result.
Settler colonialism a form of imperialism (theft of land, labor and natural resources of a weaker country by a stronger one), where the stronger country sets up a military garrison, and evicts or enslaves the local population. This is border conflict to halt the ever-eastward march of NATO.
The accusations of “russifying the ukrainian language” is pure projection; its the banderites who (with NATO help, Obama bragged about this one) couped Ukraine in 2014 (and who were killing thousands of civilians in the donbass) that have been attempting to make spoken russian illegal in the country. They’ve also been reviving nazi collaborators and building monuments to them as fast as they can.
It was the Bolsheviks (Stalin especially) who strongly supported the creation of a Ukrainian state, as it had a distinct national, lingual, and cultural character, while the western nations were opposed to Ukrainian sovereignty (The fascist dictatorhips of the 30s were essentially at war with all slavic peoples). Modern Russia wants to preserve Ukraine as a buffer state (as it was before 2014). There are many ppl more knowledgeable on lemmygrad and hexbear, that could give you a long background on this conflict.
Modern imperialism (usually) takes a different form from classical colonialism, but even with that definition, Russia can’t be called imperialist as it fits none of the traits.
The Russians have occupied foreign land, commited vast numbers of warcrimes by indiscriminately blowing the shit out of civillian areas at a scale not seen in the region since WW2, and while perhaps not literally enslaving the remaining Ukranian population, they are forcibly destroying the language culture and identity of Ukranians in occupied territories, and they are settling Russian nationals in occupied areas.
That’s settler colonialism.
Move into an area, claim control over it, kill those who resist strongly, kill a bunch of civillians in the take over process, culturally erase and assimilate the remaining local population, and then transplant a bunch of your own citzens from elsewhere into your new territory to make it yours.
Your comment argues against Russia being classic imperialists… which is not the same thing as expansionist settler colonialism.
The two can and often do go hand in hand… but they are not the same thing.
So basically, I can end this here, the vast majority of your reply is off topic.
…
But!
You make some statements and claims I find to be wild, so I'll address them in this expandable section.
Efforts to russify the Ukranian language and population are not ‘projection’, they were Soviet policy.
…
Yes, there have been and still are fascist Ukranian paramilitary and official military units and actions, and they did do horrible things in Eastern Ukraine, I do not deny that.
2014 being a Banderite coup though?
That’s a bit of a stretch.
It had very significant popular support from far too many people to be reasonably described as such.
That’d be like saying the recent protests against Trump, millions of Americans all over the country… well they’re actually just a Walmart coup because a wealthy Walmart heir paid for a bunch of ads.
The last part is true, the first part is a laughable mischaracterization, to imply that 10+ million Americans are actually staunchly pro Walmart-regime and all of its favored policies.
…
But this is quibbling over semantic phrasing.
Sure, active, violent fascists existed and still exist in Ukraine.
… but the same goes for Russia, to a much greater extent… as modern Russia… is fascist.
Soviet Union collapsed, got shock doctrined into advanced stage capitalism, which also collapsed very fast, and is now led by a chauvanistic patriarchichal strong man dear leader who hates queers and feminists, rules in close collaboration with an oligarchichal elite, which cracks down on free speech, outright runs the media, and is absurdly jingoistic and corrupt, and manipulates elections and basically routinely openly assasinates / imprisons dissidents and political rivals that become too much of a threat… oh right and they also incoperate the religion into the state.
I think Ukraine may be a teensy weensy bit less fascist than Russia on the whole.
Just a tad.
Telling me a fascist nation state is justified invading another flawed democracy that has significant but smaller numbers of fascists in that flawed nation state… is justified… because the small number of fascists are worse than the entire militarized fascist nation state, that has had the same strongman leader for 20 years, who has total control over the entire military of that state… this is like an obviously farsical joke, that this is somehow morally good or justifiable.
…
The US better invade Alberta to … stamp out Trump cult members there, with indiscriminate civillian casualties and then an annexation of Alberta.
???
The actual Nazis should have invaded Spain to uh… yeah, kill all the bad guy Carlistas and Francoistas, with indiscriminate civllian casualties, and then turn most of Spain into Lebensraum: Deutschland Westen.
???
Japan should have invaded China to… wipe out all of Kai-Shek’s forces, with indiscriminate civillian casualties, to establish Beijing down to Hong Kong as a Japanese colony instead of a Western one.
???
Does self determination just not factor into your worldview?
Do you just not believe that a flawed system capable of some level of democratic representatiom… is preferable to that which offers none?
…
Finally, if the idea here is that the ends justify the means, and the ends are: Stop NATO expansionism… well, that’s arguably massively failed, as Europe is now militarily preparing itself to be able to defend against Russia without the US.
Finland and Sweden joined NATO after Russia did this thing that was supposed to produce the opposite result.