• in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Human nature is bursting at the seams, creating mental health epidemics across the world due to our slavish obsession with working ourselves to death over some arbitrary playground rule called “money.” I’ve been thinking a lot about the “Butcher, Baker, Barber” allegory for capitalism, and I still don’t understand why the butcher can’t just get their haircut, the baker get their meat, and the barber get their bread when they need it. What is the reason for abstracting human interactions into worthless pieces of paper or coin (or digit on a spreadsheet) unless it’s for the sake of despiritualizing humanity all together, passing the buck to future generations, and hoarding wealth over others?

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        That’s what money does, increases the complecity by a couple orders of magnitude, and it’s not working out so great. What does that have to do with requiring an abstract counting system to be allowed to eat?

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          How many suppliers and service providers are involved to get you a frozen pizza in the supermarket? How are you going to barter with all of those?

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            Why does there have to be a barter? Workers maintain the services and supply so that themselves and others can have frozen pizza in the supermarket, therefore people have access to frozen pizza in the supermarket if they want it.

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              You obviously have no idea how supply chains work. Just take any fabricated object in your environment and think about it for a while. Where did all the raw materials come from? Where did the machinery to obtain those raw materials come from? What parts does the machinery consist of? Where did that come from? It gets very deep very quickly.

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                All that stuff comes from the ground, and are dug up by people who need to use them. What’s your point? That without money these things wouldn’t exist in the ground, or that people don’t need to use it?

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                  I totally agree that in a post scarcity society, people should just be able to take what they need, no questions asked.

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      I feel this to my core. I’ve always hated the concept of taking something so infinitely valuable and precious as my attention and focus and boiling it down to a number. Honestly disrespectful when you think about it.

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        I can understand the need for some sort of credit system for luxuries, for instance I don’t believe people are entitled to the best Playstation or gaming desktop every year, or a porche or hobby sailboat with a beachfront property as well as a home. I think one should be able to earn a life of luxury and comforts, but food? Housing? Education? The necessities to live and the opportunities to make something better for yourself and others? Some people can’t work, some people just don’t want to, I think that’s fine and they’re still entitled to a nice life, one that’s at least comfortable and enjoyable with opportunities to take should they want it.

        Being anti-capitalist nowadays feels like being an atheist in the 17th-18th centuries. It’s like being an atheist except going one god further still, applying the same logic to money as you would religion. Most so-called atheists will find themselves making 17th-18th century Catholic arguments trying to defend money and “the markets” or their “economic models.”