Also the entire project 2025 thing where this isn’t just a personal vendetta but a testing ground for how much fascism people will tolerate and when he can declare martial law if people clash with armed forces
Wait, Trump called in California’s national guard or Trump federalized California’s state guard? Because I was under the impression he couldn’t do the latter
The National Guard IS the state guard. That’s it’s official title. Perhaps you’re confusing them for the Reserves, which is a federal militia that’s only activated as needed.
But the president can activate the National Guard as a federal entity under his control.
When they say Trump is calling in the National Guard, he’s not deploying troops to the state; they’re already there. He’s just activating them and “deploying” them wherever he needs them in the state.
The big problem here is that activating means putting them on active duty (same status as federal military troops) and giving them active duty pay and benefits. But Trump and Pete Hegseth are not currently paying them (claiming the pay will come later) and trying to limit their deployed status so they don’t need to pay them full deployment benefits.
It’s like a business ensuring you only work 39 hours a week so they don’t have to give you medical benefits or full-time employment status. If they don’t fix it soon, the National Guard may just join the protestors.
Which may be why Trump is sending in the US Marines too; to keep the National Guard in line. Or he’s throwing a bunch of conflicting groups together to start a civil war so he can jump-start his dictatorship. This is how it always starts; declare martial law, deploy troops to every major city to seize control, then start making changes to laws and citizen’s rights across the books, with no one able to stop him through courts or uprisings.
Source: I’m a retired US Air Force veteran. Spent 20 years in active duty service, the last few years under Trump’s first term. It was an absolute nightmare and we hoped he was gone for good. But here we are again, and he doesn’t have a majority Democrat govt to keep him on a leash this time, so we’re in for a rough ride.
Oh, that’s a local volunteer militia. Much different than the organizations at play here. They usually don’t have much to do with the state, except that the state govt can choose to activate them to assist with emergencies; in which case they’ll be compensated by the State for their time.
They’re basically like the Reserves for the state’s National Guard. They fill in as requested, but don’t have much to do but train. I’m pretty sure Trump can’t activate them, as they’re strictly a local militia. Federal government has no authority over them.
The California National Guard (Cal Guard) is part of the National Guard of the United States, a dual federal–state military reserve force in the state of California. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_National_Guard
The California State Guard (CSG) is a reserve military force that supports the California National Guard (CNG) and the California Military Department (CMD) by enhancing their readiness for both state and federal responsibilities. https://calguard.ca.gov/csg/
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A couple other people provided the info for your questions but bear in mind that although he is able to do so, the conditions set by the legal bits allowing it were not met and are being challenged. This is why Marines are being sent in addition to NG troops. If the NG deployment is negated, there’s not as much that can be done for a deployment of federal troops.
Well said. So frustrating that when there was a literal insurrection against the capitol on Jan 6, nothing happened beyond some local police. Those same “less lethal” rounds shooting foreign journalists right now should have been used to prevent traitors from trying to take over the government, we should have mobilized the national guard immediately but instead it’s really important that they protect the brownshirts
You can take a good bit from that. Bearing in mind that the understaffing was by design and Diapers was shitting himself with excitement watching a crowd of morons fight for him, thus rendering the chance that reinforcement would be called less than zero…
All that aside and given the force on scene: there were no rubber bullets. There was little tear gas. There was no effort for crowd control until after things turned violent.
Trump’s presidential memoranda argued that the National Guard deployment was necessary and defendable as these […] demonstrations “constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”
Apparently there is a State Guard in addition to the NG that is solely under the governor. It’s no where near equipped to hold back a federal force. I guess the optics alone would hopefully be enough to stop Trump.
The State Defense Force is only a thing in some of the states, and an active unit in less than that. They’re really not even a consideration in any defense strategy.
The Guard was federalized which takes them out of Newsom’s control and puts them in Dipshit’s control.
Which is scary as fuck to think a president will do that for the sole purpose of antagonizing the citizens of the state.
The dumbass takes pleasure in seeing people fighting and dying for what he perceives as his sake.
Also the entire project 2025 thing where this isn’t just a personal vendetta but a testing ground for how much fascism people will tolerate and when he can declare martial law if people clash with armed forces
Yeah, exactly this was actually mentioned on page 555 of the project.
I feel bad for the Marines that went there. Imagine being responsible for dishonoring the entire USMC. I don’t think I’ll ever respect them again.
(No, not even if one beats me up or murders me, just to get out in front of any such sentiment.)
Marines have a reputation of being Crayon eating baby killers. This didn’t dishonor them.
Wait, Trump called in California’s national guard or Trump federalized California’s state guard? Because I was under the impression he couldn’t do the latter
The National Guard IS the state guard. That’s it’s official title. Perhaps you’re confusing them for the Reserves, which is a federal militia that’s only activated as needed.
But the president can activate the National Guard as a federal entity under his control.
When they say Trump is calling in the National Guard, he’s not deploying troops to the state; they’re already there. He’s just activating them and “deploying” them wherever he needs them in the state.
The big problem here is that activating means putting them on active duty (same status as federal military troops) and giving them active duty pay and benefits. But Trump and Pete Hegseth are not currently paying them (claiming the pay will come later) and trying to limit their deployed status so they don’t need to pay them full deployment benefits.
It’s like a business ensuring you only work 39 hours a week so they don’t have to give you medical benefits or full-time employment status. If they don’t fix it soon, the National Guard may just join the protestors.
Which may be why Trump is sending in the US Marines too; to keep the National Guard in line. Or he’s throwing a bunch of conflicting groups together to start a civil war so he can jump-start his dictatorship. This is how it always starts; declare martial law, deploy troops to every major city to seize control, then start making changes to laws and citizen’s rights across the books, with no one able to stop him through courts or uprisings.
Source: I’m a retired US Air Force veteran. Spent 20 years in active duty service, the last few years under Trump’s first term. It was an absolute nightmare and we hoped he was gone for good. But here we are again, and he doesn’t have a majority Democrat govt to keep him on a leash this time, so we’re in for a rough ride.
Oh, it’s called the State Defense Force. Different from the national guard. And can’t be federalized.
Oh, that’s a local volunteer militia. Much different than the organizations at play here. They usually don’t have much to do with the state, except that the state govt can choose to activate them to assist with emergencies; in which case they’ll be compensated by the State for their time.
They’re basically like the Reserves for the state’s National Guard. They fill in as requested, but don’t have much to do but train. I’m pretty sure Trump can’t activate them, as they’re strictly a local militia. Federal government has no authority over them.
(Interesting, I didn’t see any markup tools till I edited it (still seems to be italicizing quotes instead of showing as quotes). New to piefed (part of the new to lemm.ee diaspora), not usually directly on piefed via browser but using Pferd and Interstellar on phone.)
National guard, called in and federalized. Nothing to do with state guard
A couple other people provided the info for your questions but bear in mind that although he is able to do so, the conditions set by the legal bits allowing it were not met and are being challenged. This is why Marines are being sent in addition to NG troops. If the NG deployment is negated, there’s not as much that can be done for a deployment of federal troops.
Well said. So frustrating that when there was a literal insurrection against the capitol on Jan 6, nothing happened beyond some local police. Those same “less lethal” rounds shooting foreign journalists right now should have been used to prevent traitors from trying to take over the government, we should have mobilized the national guard immediately but instead it’s really important that they protect the brownshirts
You can take a good bit from that. Bearing in mind that the understaffing was by design and Diapers was shitting himself with excitement watching a crowd of morons fight for him, thus rendering the chance that reinforcement would be called less than zero…
All that aside and given the force on scene: there were no rubber bullets. There was little tear gas. There was no effort for crowd control until after things turned violent.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5428071/los-angeles-protests-national-guard-presidential-powers
He still has command of other groups. Don’t you guys also have a militia?
The NG actually is the militia. They’re normally state level but can be called up to federal level for reasons that are currently being badly misused.
Apparently there is a State Guard in addition to the NG that is solely under the governor. It’s no where near equipped to hold back a federal force. I guess the optics alone would hopefully be enough to stop Trump.
The State Defense Force is only a thing in some of the states, and an active unit in less than that. They’re really not even a consideration in any defense strategy.
Well, if it’s not to defend its citizens against kidnapping in your largest city, then they might as well get rid of it entirely.