How come Newsom can’t order the California guard to protect the protestors from ICE?
Isn’t he their commander?
The Guard was federalized which takes them out of Newsom’s control and puts them in Dipshit’s control.
Which is scary as fuck to think a president will do that for the sole purpose of antagonizing the citizens of the state.
The dumbass takes pleasure in seeing people fighting and dying for what he perceives as his sake.
Also the entire project 2025 thing where this isn’t just a personal vendetta but a testing ground for how much fascism people will tolerate and when he can declare martial law if people clash with armed forces
Yeah, exactly this was actually mentioned on page 555 of the project.
I feel bad for the Marines that went there. Imagine being responsible for dishonoring the entire USMC. I don’t think I’ll ever respect them again.
(No, not even if one beats me up or murders me, just to get out in front of any such sentiment.)
Marines have a reputation of being Crayon eating baby killers. This didn’t dishonor them.
Wait, Trump called in California’s national guard or Trump federalized California’s state guard? Because I was under the impression he couldn’t do the latter
The National Guard IS the state guard. That’s it’s official title. Perhaps you’re confusing them for the Reserves, which is a federal militia that’s only activated as needed.
But the president can activate the National Guard as a federal entity under his control.
When they say Trump is calling in the National Guard, he’s not deploying troops to the state; they’re already there. He’s just activating them and “deploying” them wherever he needs them in the state.
The big problem here is that activating means putting them on active duty (same status as federal military troops) and giving them active duty pay and benefits. But Trump and Pete Hegseth are not currently paying them (claiming the pay will come later) and trying to limit their deployed status so they don’t need to pay them full deployment benefits.
It’s like a business ensuring you only work 39 hours a week so they don’t have to give you medical benefits or full-time employment status. If they don’t fix it soon, the National Guard may just join the protestors.
Which may be why Trump is sending in the US Marines too; to keep the National Guard in line. Or he’s throwing a bunch of conflicting groups together to start a civil war so he can jump-start his dictatorship. This is how it always starts; declare martial law, deploy troops to every major city to seize control, then start making changes to laws and citizen’s rights across the books, with no one able to stop him through courts or uprisings.
Source: I’m a retired US Air Force veteran. Spent 20 years in active duty service, the last few years under Trump’s first term. It was an absolute nightmare and we hoped he was gone for good. But here we are again, and he doesn’t have a majority Democrat govt to keep him on a leash this time, so we’re in for a rough ride.
Oh, it’s called the State Defense Force. Different from the national guard. And can’t be federalized.
Oh, that’s a local volunteer militia. Much different than the organizations at play here. They usually don’t have much to do with the state, except that the state govt can choose to activate them to assist with emergencies; in which case they’ll be compensated by the State for their time.
They’re basically like the Reserves for the state’s National Guard. They fill in as requested, but don’t have much to do but train. I’m pretty sure Trump can’t activate them, as they’re strictly a local militia. Federal government has no authority over them.
The President’s unlawful order infringes on Governor Newsom’s role as Commander-in-Chief of the California National Guard and violates the state’s sovereign right to control and have available its National Guard in the absence of a lawful invocation of federal power.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/06/12/high-ranking-u-s-military-officials-agree-trumps-takeover-of-los-angeles-is-illegal/The California National Guard (Cal Guard) is part of the National Guard of the United States, a dual federal–state military reserve force in the state of California.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_National_GuardThe California State Guard (CSG) is a reserve military force that supports the California National Guard (CNG) and the California Military Department (CMD) by enhancing their readiness for both state and federal responsibilities.
https://calguard.ca.gov/csg/(Interesting, I didn’t see any markup tools till I edited it (still seems to be italicizing quotes instead of showing as quotes). New to piefed (part of the new to lemm.ee diaspora), not usually directly on piefed via browser but using Pferd and Interstellar on phone.)
A couple other people provided the info for your questions but bear in mind that although he is able to do so, the conditions set by the legal bits allowing it were not met and are being challenged. This is why Marines are being sent in addition to NG troops. If the NG deployment is negated, there’s not as much that can be done for a deployment of federal troops.
Well said. So frustrating that when there was a literal insurrection against the capitol on Jan 6, nothing happened beyond some local police. Those same “less lethal” rounds shooting foreign journalists right now should have been used to prevent traitors from trying to take over the government, we should have mobilized the national guard immediately but instead it’s really important that they protect the brownshirts
You can take a good bit from that. Bearing in mind that the understaffing was by design and Diapers was shitting himself with excitement watching a crowd of morons fight for him, thus rendering the chance that reinforcement would be called less than zero…
All that aside and given the force on scene: there were no rubber bullets. There was little tear gas. There was no effort for crowd control until after things turned violent.
National guard, called in and federalized. Nothing to do with state guard
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/10/nx-s1-5428071/los-angeles-protests-national-guard-presidential-powers
Trump’s presidential memoranda argued that the National Guard deployment was necessary and defendable as these […] demonstrations “constitute a form of rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States.”
He still has command of other groups. Don’t you guys also have a militia?
The NG actually is the militia. They’re normally state level but can be called up to federal level for reasons that are currently being badly misused.
Apparently there is a State Guard in addition to the NG that is solely under the governor. It’s no where near equipped to hold back a federal force. I guess the optics alone would hopefully be enough to stop Trump.
The State Defense Force is only a thing in some of the states, and an active unit in less than that. They’re really not even a consideration in any defense strategy.
Well, if it’s not to defend its citizens against kidnapping in your largest city, then they might as well get rid of it entirely.
The whole reason for this suit is that trump is taking control of our own national guard through some obscure law so Newsom no longer can control it.
Only a few states have state guards, which are like national guard groups that have no connection to the federal government. Most of these are on the east coast in democratic areas because republicans look at them and go: “Why do we have a state guard and a national guard? They do they same thing. If we cut the state guard, we can pass a tax cut!”
However, state guards are perfectly legal. In fact, that is what the 2nd amendment means when it says ‘well regulated militia’. Sadly, I don’t think California has one.
I wasn’t aware of state guard, but after looking out up looks like California does have it, although it is about 900 troops so I guess that’s why it’s is almost as if it wasn’t there.
Newsom is fash. He couldn’t give less of a shit about protestors. Fash support fash.
The lawsuit is that trump took away Newsome’s control of the national guard. This is why he can’t “just order” them.
He doesn’t want to protect protestors. You’re forgetting that he and the mayor are in full control of the police officers that are currently beating protestors to pulp. They are totally on board with what is happening, they just want to be the one in control.
The media is saying he’s a top contender to be DNC candidate for prez. I’m not seeing it.
They’ll make him the candidate whether you see it or not. The primary process is not democratic.
Dems want to lose so their collaborators on the other team can implement fascism.
What LAPD is doing needs to be investigated and they need being punished for it, but as of now Newsom doesn’t have control over national guard, trump used an obscure law with very weak justification to get control of it.
This is what this lawsuit is about. To get the control back.
I’ve been wondering the same thing. Order them to leave (at least) and make the National Guard choose who to follow.
Yes and no. As I understand it, (someone please correct me) Governor control state national guardsmen but the moment they request aid for more National Guardsmen then ultimate control goes to the Commander in Chief.
Long story short, with the pandemic, wildfires etc. National Guard has been answering to the executive branch who then has been deferring to Newsom for direction. But now, it seems the Executive branch is stepping in. Thus the Marines.
Again, I question how accurate this is. The person that explained it to me is a bit questionable of a source.
I appreciate you being upfront about your source, lol. Here’s some info from AP News to help clarify a bit.
Typically the authority to call up the National Guard lies with governors, but there are limited circumstances under which the president can deploy those troops. Trump federalized members of the California National Guard under an authority known as Title 10.
The relevant part of Title 10 is explained here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/12406
Which basically says that the federal government can deploy the National Guard when
the United States […] is invaded or is in danger of invasion by a foreign nation
So Trump is (falsely) claiming that the protesters are helping Mexico/Venezuela/Wherever to “invade” California. Which is obviously complete horseshit, but unfortunately that same excuse has been working for his other fascist orders such as the deportations to CECOT.
Trump’s claim isn’t quite that tenuous. Check section (2):
there is a rebellion or danger of a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States
That’s the basis for this. They’re characterising Angelinos resisting ICE as “a rebellion against the authority of the Government of the United States”, since ICE is an extension of that same authority. It’s a weak claim, but not as completely buckwild as claiming a foreign invasion.
That’s a fair point. I was under the assumption that they were still using the “invasion” thing since that was what they leaned into for the deportations. I can definitely see them going with “rebellion” instead.
Seems like there is some (temporary) good news on the topic at least:
A federal judge issued a temporary restraining order Thursday directing President Donald Trump to return control of the National Guard to California.
The order, which takes effect at noon Friday, said the deployment of the Guard was illegal and both violated the Tenth Amendment and exceeded Trump’s statutory authority.
When taking to the press they purposefully used words like “invasion” and “rebellion” to help with justification of invoking this obscure law but it is clear it is not.
Like all judgments against Trump, ir’s only as powerful as the enforcement. If the Guard leadership chooses to follow Trump over Newsom, the courts mean nothing.
If only the founding fathers had given us the tools to deal with government overreach. Sadly the founders were just weak men that would threaten to sue over anything the British Empire did and took no action. They taught us nothing. If we could think for a SECOND Im sure we could thing up an AMMENDMENT to the Constitution that would enable a state to repel federal forces from the state. Considering those federal forces are actually state forces (National Guard), and have already been declared illegal by the court … perhaps a well regulated militia of armed volunteers could be called in to help. Sadly, our Constitution just doesn’t allow this.
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
Liberals have been disarming themselves in California for years, not sure what you’re thinking
And republikkkans have been spiting bullshit like “Don’t tread on me and “we the people” but now getting horny for fascism.
Are you planning to go first?
It’s a long fucking drive to Cali for me.
Somebody else? I’m shocked!
If you dont live in Cali then it is “somebody else” by default. The governor of Cali could call for a volunteer militia to form up. It’s within his legal rights.
The “someone else” in this case would be the Cali governor.
Your post makes no sense.
Eh, if his losses in court weren’t relevant, he wouldn’t bother screeching about them. Not that hard at least. He does seem to like screeching for its own sake.
He is the biggest narcissist on the planet, he would probably whine if his scrambled eggs were the wrong consistency.
“I do whine because I want to win and I’m not happy about not winning and I am a whiner and I keep whining and whining until I win", Trump told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on Tuesday.
Sorry. I live in a crazy world. Did he actually say this? He doesn’t seem self aware enough to think like this.
This is going to end up in blood shed. This shit is dark.
Wait untill you learn that Israel just struck Iran’s nuclear sites… including the capital, Tehran.
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-12-25-hnk-intl
https://www.axios.com/2025/06/13/israel-strike-iran-trump-nuclear-talks
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/12/world/israel-iran-us-nuclear
Good grief… World war 3 could have just started.
It’s not to convict him. It’s to make it cease, obviously.
I am aware that filing a lawsuit is a good idea to attempt to handle this via… our perhaps still somewhat legitimate legal system at this point?
But it very likely will not be sufficient on its own… and this entire situation is still very, very likely to end in bloodshed, lawsuit or not.
No idea why that comment wound up being a reply to you. I swear I made a comment to the post. Having a weird one on here today, I guess.
Oh, hey, no problem!
I’ve accidentally replied to the wrong comment a few times as well, sometimes some network lag in a very active thread can make things a little weird, or a mobile app UI can get confused, or you can fat finger something.
All good =D
Yeah, it reads a little smartass so, just wanted to let you know :)
These creeps, including Newsom, have all been supporting genocide for more than a year. Really for decades.
Always been dark.
There’s like 350 million people in this country. Thousands of people kill themselves everyday. Couldn’t a single one of them take someone like Trump with then? No Luigi copycats, really weird.
considering that less than 2000 people kill themselves every day globally, i doubt that america has “thousands of people killing themselves everyday”
but i agree with you, might aswell like wtf
Nevermind, it’s about 135. Man, people have really been overstating this. Maybe it’s just the people I’m around. Anyways, that’s plenty of people. A couple of them don’t have anyone to be hurt by the government on their behalf. That could be a couple senators a day. Special elections at this point, democrats probably winning… except for the martyr thing. Hmmmmm…
When is trump ever alone in public at night where someone can just walk up to him and put a few rounds in the orange fuck?
I didn’t say it’d be easy. Or that the perpetrator would live. He’s having that big ass parade tomorrow. It’d take planning though.
Lawsuits are to convictions like chocolate mousse is to catalytic converters.
A fun way to make a bigger mess?
Yeah, I’d rather try to work through the system than give his orange-ness and the troglodytes more provocation.
Edit to add: as a pissed off Californian with family in LA
This is delusional. Trump doesn’t need provocation, he was always going to do this regardless. The “system” you cling to is the same that has allowed him to rise to power and failed to prosecute his crimes many times now.
That’s the third box, and it has already failed.
Yeah, if Trump loses the case then he will say “its the RADICAL LEFT trying to stop me from making America great again” and if he wins he will say “more proof that I have done nothing wrong”
