LEAVE YOUR PHONES AT HOME!
Can you elaborate on this? I want to know what the concerns are.
Obviously, they can track you with cell towers, and there’s the legitimate risk that they’re setting up stingray cells to intercept or even disable communications. All of that sucks, and I wish it weren’t a problem.
However, if I’m participating in a non-violent protest, I do take a bit of a “flood them with noise” attitude by just being there. I also want to be able to contact my group in case we get separated. Burner phones feel a bit like overkill for what should be a non-violent protest.
And yes, I know there are problems with my “nothing to hide, nothing to fear” attitude. I’m not trying to advocate for that. I want more information so that I know why I should be worried.
There is no noise anymore. They have the computing power to sort through everything caught in the dragnet now.
When I went to my local Hands Off protest in April, the crowd were on either side of a busy street. Should the people in the cars driving by have turned their phones off?
The computer automatically was able to determine they pinged a mile away 5 minutes ago, and a further mile in the other direction 5 minutes later. They were filtered out before a human was looking at the data.
This happens even when protests aren’t happening. This is regular equipment used in traffic surveys conducted by every civil engineer in every county in the country. The surveys are for completely boring reasons like if the intersection signals should turn the left turn signal green before the straight lanes.
Granted the equipment used in these surveys intentionally ditch identifying information. They can gobble up things like Bluetooth hardware addresses from your car or phone as you drive by, and see if that address pops up on the other sensors in the area. That can reliably tell them which direction you turned at an intersection and they can start to see trends in the data.
This type of equipment is used everywhere and can be retooled to zero in on specific people just as easily as it’s used for anonymous traffic statistics. Throw in things like stingrays and cell tower tracking and you’re fucked.
I’d believe you if the traffic lights here weren’t so awful, unsafe, and inefficient.
Lol fair. Your local PD gets tens of millions of dollars worth of military equipment like APCs every year and they’re still not effective either.
There’s a difference in a single ping nearby and several pings with a protest, also like the LA protests they may have drones overhead to get even more accurate pings
Edit: sorry maybe you weren’t being disingenuous if you actually attended one. My apologies if so
Yes, I did attend a protest, and I don’t know everything about technology. Thanks for your answer.
They will monitor cell phones near protests to identify the agitators. Bring a prepaid burner if you really need a phone.
In Canada they are also eroding away at privacy rights. I voted for Mark Carney (liberal) specifically to not let the pro-Trump conservatives (Canadian conservatives) in… but then Bill C-2 is introduced (not law yet. Not even close. It is in the first reading. Meaning first ever step in the process) that is trying to grant the police the right to open mail without a warrant at any stage in delivery, as well as to directly monitor a person’s internet use without a warrant, and to criminalize (yes criminalize) any cash purchase over 10,000$. Quebec already bans people from carrying more than 3000$ in cash at a time. You can be arrested and charged with intent to commit a crime just for doing that.
I mean fuck me. At this point in time I legit don’t give a fuck about money laundering or petty bullshit. This is such a gross violation of privacy that as far as I am concerned they need to repeal all terrorism related laws.
The Canadian government was able to pursue and apprehend and charge international terrorists in the past without any of these laws. Are the making it easier? I doubt it.
Let’s say you go to a non violent protest with perfectly good intentions. You bring your phone to communicate and take pictures/videos.
Someone in the crowd gets rowdy, or has an agenda to make the protest look violent. They throw a rock at a cop, or a Molotov on a car. The cops gather cell data, and now you’re a person of interest in a riot or, lately, a terrorist act. You could have booked it as soon as you heard the commotion. But the phone proved you were there, and it’s gonna be a fight to prove you did nothing wrong.
It is disappointing to be reminded that “innocent until proven guilty” is not the shield we were taught it was.
That only applies for the rich and powerful, not you or me.
Walkie talkies only :)
Encrypted walkie talkies.
Link please if you know where to get them.
So far I’m only aware of:
- Meshtastic, which is text but can be encrypted
- amateur radio, which it is illegal to encrypt
- CB, which I know little about
- Regular store walkie-talkies which I assume are not encrypted
Regular store digital walkie talkies come with “encryption” these days, which is essentially an xor encryption on the channel packets. Trivial to decode, but the person has to first know what frequencies you’re on and then what shift you’re using.
So, it won’t stop a government from providing the decoded data as evidence, but it would likely stop anyone from knowing what you’re saying in real-time.
Be prepared for shit to hit the fan
The US national guard has a dark history when it comes to murdering innocent peaceful protesters and then still managing to murder innocent people whose crime it was “happened to be walking by”
Edit: just to clarify; the murderers walk free to this day, a judge decided it was okay to murder innocent students
Edit 2: reading this, WTF is it with Americans in gun fights just randomly shooting at everything and everyone? Are these such bad marksmen that they hit passerbys? We’re they just so scared they shot at everything that moved, even though everything was peaceful and they were the only ones who had the guns? Did they purposely shot at the passerbys, out of sheer evil? I mean, how is this explained away?
Not sure what your edit is regarding, but LEOs in instances like this are just going to shoot and blame the victims that get hit. “Shouldn’t have been there anyway” or something, even if they’re literally just innocent bystanders or the bullet went through an house and killed them in bed.
We’re they just so scared they shot at everything that moved, even though everything was peaceful and they were the only ones who had the guns?
Yes, this is specifically what US cops are trained to do. They have it drilled into their heads that their top priority is going home safe, no matter what. And it’s often taught specifically by Israeli fucks specifically to US cops.
The site shows rallies nearest to you:
If you look at the map, it’s pretty significant the number. Also, there are some in states you wouldn’t think there would be any.
Also, there are some in states you wouldn’t think there would be any.
Every state has a significant percentage of non-fascists in it. The notion of “red states” vs. “blue states” is nothing but a lie / artifact of voting district boundaries; the real dichotomy is red rural areas vs. blue cities.
Also, just because the states are MAJORITY red in polls\voting doesn’t mean that none of those places have democrats or other parties there. They are just the minority.
The one at my capitol is a swing and a miss for me. They’re going to have a family friendly drag show and carnival games… Cute I guess…?
I’m not in any way against drag shows or community building events but this moment feels serious and it feels like the organizers have lost the plot on this one.
Protesting evil with wholesome family fun is an interesting idea. Imagine the absurdity of photos of over-reacting fully armed soldiers watching over a street carnival that is protesting the evil path that America is on.
They’re going to have a family friendly drag show and carnival games
I think that’s a great idea, it gets the kids involved early in the democratic process. Also, whatever gets people out there.
I’m not ruling out out that it might actually be me who’s lost the plot and I’m just being too small minded/optically paranoid.
you saying that, not just thinking it to yourself but actually commenting with that, makes you so much better than so many people. especially right now when it’s so easy to become overwhelmed with cynicism
I think every facet of resistance is important. nonviolent demonstrations, public queer pride, art, putting up stickers and flyers, even more direct tactical stuff. they’re all needed at the same time.
Hopefully law enforcement and anti-first amendment alt-right less likely to target family fun. I think it’s a good idea - it’s really just about getting people there.
I really like that you take a step back and consider the possibility that you might be wrong. A skill so many of us are severely lacking.
You are raising an important point. If protests are too “family friendly” you end up with more of a public festival and the state knowing everyone will go home without issues and doesn’t have to take the protest seriously.
Protests need to be large and they need to have aspects for every level of activity and escalation-readiness. If they are only “family friendly” then nothing will come out of it. If they are only “black block” they will lack the mass necessary.
I wouldn’t take my kids to an event given the current climate in the US. Some bad stuff is about to go down somewhere, some Tiananmen Square shit.
I’d go myself.
If you don’t feel like your kids are safe, then don’t. It really depends on the city or town. There are towns in Washington that could absolutely have drag events and carnival games and there wouldn’t be any more likelihood of things going wrong than any other event. Seattle is a target city, you might want to think about it. But then again, it’s mostly been peaceful except when cops are cruel.
when cops are cruel.
So, all the time?
May day massacre was just union workers having a picnic with their families. Making protests family inclusive works
Fascists tend to take extra damage from being mocked and belitled, I think this works for that
“No Kings” and it’s framing sound less tame and vague than “Hands Off” did, so here’s hoping.
I don’t know what the issue is. They seem to get turnout. I try to show up when I can
Honestly it’s way catchier than 50501 lol. Gets right down to the essence of what America is.
It doesn’t really resonate with me. It makes me invision the colonial era. I think “No Dictators” or “No Despots” would be better.
We don’t know that Walton is funding the RALLY, but she definitely paid for the AD. Big difference.
But the guy is wrong saying"WalMart paid for it", Walton paid for it. Again, big difference.
Walmart heiress Christy Walton bought ONE full-page color ad in the New York Times. The rallies themselves appear to be independently organized — you can volunteer to host one on their site — and you can get a good idea of who’s actively involved in organizing them by looking at their partners page.
I don’t see any corporations. Of course, they’re not seizing the opportunity to save our democracy.
The Walton who paid for the ad was married into the family. The Walton descendants don’t seem to be involved. Not getting to cause a divide but thought it was worth noting.
Get your instagram clickfarming out of here
No, they aren’t paying for the no kings rally. This has been planned for months - essentially since Trump declared he wanted his thuper duper special big boy parade.
Just because they paid for an ad to support the movement doesn’t mean it’s now co-opted by Walmart or any other billionaire.
This is blatant misinformation.
Oh, cool, more people to block, thanks!
