• Smoogs@lemmy.world
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    This is why manual hand counted votes still happen to this day in Canada and Australia. They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.

    Yes it takes longer. And sometimes results will take weeks to resolve but at least they don’t end up in a situation like this where the entire system is so corrupt 4 months later it’s near impossible to fix it.

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      Please don’t say “the lib won” the liberals in Australia are a right wing party. US paradigms are not universal, just say left or right

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      They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.

      Largely thanks to the local public backlash to Trump tariffs. If Kamala had prevailed in November, both countries would likely have MAGA governments today.

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        Yeah, it’s weird to be an American and hope the silver lining of trump is that the rest of the world keeps making better choices in response to how bad this is.

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          Part of the Trump brand is “Fuck you, I’ve got mine” which isn’t condusive to international coalitions.

          Hell, just look at the Ukraine/Russia conflict. As soon as Trump got Zelensky to sign a bunch of Western Ukrainian real estate over to his cronies, he unleashed a large traunch of weapons to fuck over Putin. As soon as he got another Perfect Phone Call from Xi, and secured some unspecified promise, the Chinese tariffs evaporated.

          My man stands for nothing that won’t fit into his pocket.

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        We can’t say that. We don’t know what would’ve happened in Canada if Trump lost.

        If Trump lost:

        • Trudeau might not have resigned
        • if he did, Carney might not have became liberal leader
        • The election probably wouldn’t have even happened yet, and the campaign likely would’ve been longer when it was.
        • Every party would have run very different campaigns since the top issues wouldn’t have been US relations

        A lot of things could’ve been different, but most notably:

        • PP might not have run a Trump-esk populist attack campaign.

        For all we know PP wouldn’t be seen as “the same MAGA threat”

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      It doesn’t take longer. France announces the preliminary results of an election 2 hours after the polling places close.

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      Note to mention that not only are they harder to scale attacks against, manual vote counts are easier to trust, As anyone can understand the process and how it ensured that their vote counted.

      No matter how well they are protected it’s hard to explain to the average person how a computer ensures their vote was counted correctly.