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    Damn, really sounds like some sort of political party should have tried to capture voters interest instead of pushing the status quo that has been suffocating folks for their whole life.

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      This shit is so fucking lazy.

      Biden enacted plenty of progressive asks during his term. Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.

      Just because it wasn’t 100% of what YOU personally wanted doesn’t mean it wasn’t good legislation.

      Hope none of your family dies because of this, because if they do it’s on you, mr protest voter.

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        The percentage of people who don’t vote hasn’t changed much in 100 years. Call them lazy, uneducated, apathetic, etc, it makes no difference. They don’t vote and that’s all there is to be said about it. If you’re waiting around for them to start voting for your preferred candidate you’re going to be waiting for the rest of your life. Stop talking about them and start making other plans.

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            And it swung the 2020 election. Biden still holds the record for the most votes of any president ever, Trump was number 2 for the most votes ever in that same election.

            You cannot swing for the center and hope to flip some republicans. They vote on a single issue, and that issue is usually, “who will hurt the people I hate most”. They like to play it off as “Fiscally republican” or some other shit, but it’s all lies and falls apart if you pull on the threads of their reasoning.

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            Yeah maybe its the job of the politicians to go out and get peoples votes and listen to what they’re concerned about rather than just sitting there saying well you have to vote for us cuz that guys worse

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              If you’re so entitled you need to be personally courted to stand up against fascism then Idk what to tell you.

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              They ran on universal healthcare and taxing the rich. Their sitting president was one of, if not the most, progressive president in our lifetimes with a strong economic recovery record. They even listened when their base told them Biden was too old and gave them a younger candidate.

              Just admit that the dumbfucks that voted 3rd party or didn’t vote were single issue losers who couldn’t see the forest for the trees and now we have fascism in America.

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          Like another plan like move out of the country to somewhere smart ?

          so only non voters and MAGATS are left behind to shoot them selves in the foot

          I think they are already doing that.

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          There is plenty of discussion how this last election people didn’t move rightwards, they moved couchwards. The absolute numbers voting for president went down substantially. I bet a good number of those were protest non voters.

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        They were quite literally funding a genocide and then somehow thought pointing out [the very real] fascist intent of the Republican plans would play in their favor.

        Edit: it seems none of you have understood my point.

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            At no point did I say Republicans were not also backing genocide. Only that, maybe, just maybe, Democrats could have NOT done so, to give people an actual choice on that issue.

            I understand you prefer binary arguments where saying one bad thing about someone automatically means the opponent has to be good on that topic, but the world doesn’t work like that.

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              Dude they want to nuke Gaza, while Biden was pushing for peace. But to you it’s all the same and “b b b b both sides same”. This is why you project “you prefer binary arguments”. Ciao.

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                It’s amazing how garbage your reading comprehension can be and you still think you have an argument.

                I know Republicans are worse. I’m saying Biden did a weak as fuck job pushing for peace which exasperated the already present voter apathy. Continuing to repeat yourself while missing the entire point of what I’m saying does not make you look any less fucking stupid for missing it.

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                They literally refuse to admit that an entire apparatus of a party wanting something, and then a handful of members wanting something of another party are not the same.

                Then they have the gall to complain that the democrats didn’t personally promise them a pony and a unicorn so they didn’t vote.

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                  Maybe not actively assisting in a genocide = wanting a personal pony

                  Now, apparently. Like, that bar is literally on the floor, and you’re making excuses why they couldn’t meet that challenge

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              Only that, maybe, just maybe, Democrats could have NOT done so

              Like, do you not grasp that international relations is a thing?

              Do you not fathom that when an important ally, the most important in the Middle East, ramps up a conflict they’ve had with another nation for our entire lives, that it’s not exactly a simple subject? That you can’t just say “Welp, you’re being mean to someone else, so fuck you our relationship is over”?

              Biden repeatedly spoke out against Netanyahu’s tactics. He started threatening to hold up arms shipments and impose sanctions. These are the proper steps to take before resorting to losing one of your most important allies.

              Then Americans chose fascism and now the situation is much worse.

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                Ah yes, we’re going to downplay systemic genocide as “being mean” now? To make this seem like a simple, laughable little faux pas. What a piece of shit you are.

                The proper steps to stopping that shit is not go : " no, please…stop…" And continue shoveling those weapons to them, actively enabling the behavior we want to stop.

                Israel was trying to drag us into a war with Iran as well, attacking them hoping they could hide behind the US. For two years. No change in weapon shipments. Clearly he did a bad fucking job. Whining about it being complicated doesn’t unfuck up the job he did.

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            Oh no! Its not like the dems didnt drop the equivalent of 5 nuclear bombs on gaza anyway…

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        Biden? Progressive? lol that’s funny

        The Democrats fumbled appealing to progressives, independents, and undecided voters. That’s a lot more that just one guy you are responding to

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          Biden? Progressive? lol that’s funny

          Can I give you a pro life tip?

          Let people wonder whether you’re dumb or not. Don’t prove to them that you are.

          Biden was one of, if not the most progressive president, in our lifetimes. That is a FACT.

          But of course you don’t know that.

          The Democrats fumbled appealing to progressives, independents, and undecided voters.

          By running on universal healthcare and taxing the rich? No, Republicans ran the most effective propaganda campaign in the history of this country (with the help of Russian disinformation) and it worked, because Americans are braindead stupid.

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        Harris outlined plenty of progressive asks in her campaign as well.

        She also outlined a move to the right and lied about working super hard for a ceasefire

        So tired of people pretending the Dems weren’t a horrific choice in 24, likely on purpose to give repubs their turn

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          You have 2 fucking choices. Sitting out means you have no right to complain, because you supported the worst side.

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              If you don’t vote, your opinion is worthless. You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?

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                A lack of vote is a valid choice in the system, if it wasn’t then it wouldn’t be allowed.

                You chose to sit out, so why would anyone want to listen to you?

                So that they can get your vote next time, should they actually want to win? What kind of moronic question is that, are you guys actually as stupid as it seems the Dems are at understanding basic shit?

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          So tired of people pretending the Dems weren’t a horrific choice in 24

          Yeah, way worse than literal fascism.

          likely on purpose to give repubs their turn

          Lol. Do you still wear your clown nose when you’re at home alone? 🤡

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        Funny how Biden brought up price gouging but then never acted on it

        Funny how they brought up corporations buying elections and then never acted on it.

        Funny how they could have enshrined abortion or medicaid into law and decided not to because they couldn’t even get their own house together to vote for it because they’re all paid for by corporations and Israel.

        Funny how they couldn’t do the basic moral thing and not finance fully a genocide.

        Funny how they didnt reach across to any left leaning voters but instead paraded around a family of genocidaires. Funny how they kept leaping to the right instead of even trying to stay as a democratic party.

        Funny how they’ve rigged their own elections since Obama in 08.

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        Because Joe “nothing would fundamentally change” Biden was so progressive.

        Hope none of your family died in the years before Trump like the hundreds of thousands of others who die each year from easily fixable causes but weren’t because they lived in status quo America.

        Quick question, do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?

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          How many billions of dollars in student loan debt did Biden cancel? How much more would have been cancelled if the supreme court didn’t act in a blatantly partisan manner?

          Yeah, I do hold them responsible. Shumer shouldn’t be in leadership and AOC should be on every high profile committee there is.

          Not voting solves nothing. You know how you get more progressive legislation passed? By voting for the party that has progressives in it. That’s how. More democrats means more people like AOC. It doesn’t fucking matter if your personal rep is a god damned blue dog if it means there’s one less republican in congress.

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            How many billions in student loan debt did Biden create by helping establish the predatory student-loan system as it currently exists?

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              Oh so a person helps fix a problem they were part of, and for you that’s not enough.

              God you people are so tiring.

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                “Oh so a person helps fix a problem they were part of, and for you that’s not enough.”

                Um, no? Is that supposed to be satire?

                –Hypothetically, If your dog vomits on the floor and eats a small part of that vomit before looking at you for approval, do you praise them for partially cleaning up the mess they made?

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          Because Joe “nothing would fundamentally change” Biden was so progressive.

          Are you stupid? His legislation was VERY progressive. Guy was even the first president IN HISTORY to forgive student loans and to stand on a picket line with striking workers.

          do you in any way shape or form hold the Democratic party responsible for their performance at the polls?

          Yes, but not even close to as responsible as I hold American voters for failing their civic duty.

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      Are you trying to tell me that pushing to re-elect a guy who was falling apart at the seams and currently has advanced cancer, who previously won by virtue of the other guy’s approval rating being in the toilet… then replacing him with someone who would have been completely blown out in a primary at the last minute so she couldn’t even mount a good campaign who then got hobbled by her PR team into not mounting any sort of attacks of any meaningful value… are you trying to tell me that they did something wrong???

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        Are you trying to tell me that pushing to re-elect a guy who was falling apart at the seams and currently has advanced cancer, who previously won by virtue of the other guy’s approval rating being in the toilet

        All of these things are better than a felon rapist traitor who is flagrantly disregarding the Constitution. Keep in mind that when you vote for a candidate, you aren’t just voting for them, you are voting for their party to have power as well.

        then replacing him with someone who would have been completely blown out in a primary at the last minute

        It’s literally what their constituents asked for. They kept complaining that Biden was too old and it would cost him the election. So they gave their constituents a younger candidate. There was not time for a primary.

        But none of this matters. It was non-fascists vs fascists and it was pretty fucking obvious and Americans failed that open book test.

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      So, between someone who doesn’t allign 100% with my views and it’s not a nazi and an actual nazi, much better to choose the nazi, right? I mean, I guess it’s your vote so you can do as you please with it, but I reaaaaaally hope you don’t get any of what’s coming for you, because you know… you voted for all this so there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for.

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        there is no empathy left in me for someone who’s getting what they asked for

        Is that really something you think anyone here will care about? whether you “have empathy” for them? You have a wildly overinflated ego buddy. Have empathy, dont have it-- it doesnt matter to anyone. But if you could be less tedious and noisy we’d all appreciate that. Why dont you try that angle? Threaten to be yourself unless we do what you want.

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      Dear non voters: You’re hurting no one but yourselves.

      So I dunno who you thought you were threatening. But You’re dumb.

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      And if they don’t, let’s be sure to actively allow much worse people to take over, that’s sooooo much better.

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      “Democrats aren’t perfect. Let’s allow the fascists to win.”

      🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

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        I really just wanna point out that this person didn’t say anything other than criticize the Democratic Party for ineffectually marketing their ideas. If you hire a marketing company to advertise your product and their campaign spectacularly fails even though your product is obviously much better for consumers than everything else, would you be mad at the consumers for not understanding how your technology works or would you be mad at the marketing company for doing a very bad job at convincing the public of your very obviously much better solution?

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          This isn’t buying an air fryer.

          This is politics.

          It is every American’s civic duty to inform themselves responsibly and not rely on a political party to formulate their reality for them with TV ads.

          Every American who did their civic duty and informed themselves responsibly voted for the party that wasn’t promising fascism.

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            Do you think that the more important the product is the less responsibility the marketing company has? Like if you’re trying to sell democracy instead of an air fryer, do you think that means that the marketing company for some reason should be held to a lower standard? Because I don’t know about you, but I think it should be easier to convince people of democracy than to buy an air fryer. So if your marketing company can’t even do that…

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          People need to know the scientific method and they need to do actual factual research on their own before spouting off online about stuff they knownothing about

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            I’m just wondering, but do you think that a political party that is literally apparently unable to convince enough people to vote against a literal fascist sounds like they understand politics very well either?

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              Apathy grows in America every day and it is by far and above a corporate move to make everybody not give a shit about anything so yeah, I blame Corporate America versus the actual Democratic Party. If everybody who didn’t vote voted for Kamala, we wouldn’t be in this mess. I also take issue with everything political being turned into political meme, thereby robbing it of its actual importance

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                Like do you see how this is kind of like refusing to be angry at a fire department that just stood in front of your house while it burned down because technically they weren’t the ones that started the fire and then getting angry at people who are getting angry at the fire department on your behalf because you’re wondering why they’re not angry at arsonists instead? Have you considered that like you can be angry at a lot of different people all at the same time for a lot of good reasons and that being angry at a corporation though isn’t going to change anything but being angry at the Democrats might change the Democrats, so long people don’t literally resist trying to improve the Democratic Party and make it more effective at convincing people to vote against fascism

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                  Yeah, but the corporations fund the Democrats so I will start at the top no thank you and rally against them. All I want.

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                    I’m not telling you to not do that, and I think you should. It’s important. I just am trying to get you to realize that the person you’ve been responding to is not actually standing in your way at all, and in fact you seem to have at this point acknowledge what they’re saying, which is that the Democrats have constantly failed to successfully play the political game and all this person is saying is maybe we should demand more of them. But for some reason, even just saying that gets everyone to accuse you of a lot of horrible things even though literally all you want is for the people who are supposed to protect you to do a better job.

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                  convincing people to vote against fascism

                  If Americans have to be convinced to vote against fascism, then the majority of the fault lies on Americans, not the Democrat party.

                  The Democrat party absolutely could have run a better campaign, but you’re literally arguing that political parties have to convince Americans to vote against fascism. And you don’t think the majority of the fault lies with American voters?

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                    And you don’t think the majority of the fault lies with American voters?

                    I don’t know, did I actually say that anywhere or are you just assuming this?

                    What I think is that it’s extremely emotional and self-centered to be more interested in assigning blame than on figuring out where we can most effectively put pressure to actually make change happen.

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                If everybody who didn’t vote voted for Kamala…

                The same could be said about third-parties with better policy plans winning their first election.

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                  Yeah, maybe those 3rd party’s first election wins should be in local/state elections instead of a presidential election, which they literally cannot win.

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                    “which they literally cannot win.”

                    How so? With all non-voters committed to a third party candidate, that would put the the popular vote and effectively all of the delegates in that candidates pocket.