Since when are crimes illegal?
It’s only illegal if you get caught. It’s airtight MAGAt logic.
It’s only illegal if you
get caught.aren’t rich.ftfy
Since you’ve been poor?
Is he though? Seems like the latest “oh my god he’s going down” only for him to be out campaigning like a week later.
The wheels of justice turn very slowly in the USA. His legal team’s strategy to keep him or if prison is to slow then down even more. Iirc his first criminal trial starts either this Monday or the following Monday.
Unless you’re a poor person, obviously.
He will be found guilty. He committed multiple crimes in plain view of the public, those crimes were recorded on cameras, he’s made multiple statements admitting that he committed the crimes.
The real question is, will he be found guilty before he dies? He has enough money to put up bullshit delay tactics for the next 10 years.
He could also become president again, that’s his plan. He’s trying to run out the clock on all his legal troubles. Once he’s a presidential candidate I’ll bet you every one of those Republicans that turned on him after Jan. 6 will suddenly start saying it’s unconstitutional to charge/prosecute a presidential candidate.
Well that’s more to the point. If he’s able to keep out of jail for another year and a couple of months (easy enough for these kinds of cases) he can easily be within a shot of the whitehouse. Not ideal.
He’ll be elected and transform the government into a dictatorship of successors.
Defeatist thought is how Republicans convince Democratic votes to stay home.
I think it would be good if he did have to deal with the hell of the court system until he dies, burning the wick of hope until the very end. It would honestly be a relief if he finally went to prison and was able to make peace with his situation in his final years.
He would never make peace with being in prison, though. He’s a spoiled child who never had to face the consequences of his actions. He would lose his goddamn mind if anyone dared to punish him for his crimes.
There is a disconnect between his legal situation and his behaviour because he’s too way stupid to realise he’s screwed.
He did a terrible job of hiding the evidence of his crimes in many cases he straight up boasted about them on Twitter. He’s misbehaved towards various judges on a number of occasions and threatened the jury. So not only is he absolutely screwed, he’s making the situation worse.
The reason he is still campaigning is because he’s really really really really thick. As are his supporters who think he has even a snowball’s chance in hell of getting away with this.
It’s old really because if he believed it’s his own rhetoric, then there’s some kind of evil vendetta against him bey the evil left, in which case he should know he’s not going to get away. Extreme cognitive dissonance.
I think somewhere in the back of his mind he knows he’s screwed from a legal perspective, but he also knows that if he acts like everything’s ok he might have a chance to be president again. He might be dumb but he knows the kind of power he has in his hands.
Or he’s banking on getting re-elected before the case can conclude.
He’s used to this, first he does something blatantly illegal, then he makes the case take so long and cost so much that it’s not worth pursuing anymore.
Honestly I don’t care what happens to T as long as I can finally stop seeing his fucking name seemingly every other day. I was so happy when joe won because I thought 'my god, I won’t have to hear about trump for at least another four years! Finally!" Well I guess that clock finally ticked down and were back to talking about the most…interesting ex-president alive today.
Anyone else remember when Bill getting a blowjob was earth shattering and impeachment-discussion worthy? Really puts things into perspective.
Im simply tired of hearing his name and seeing his face. Whether he gets jailed forever, gets away with a wrist slap, or dies of old age/gets epsteined before either, I couldn’t care less as long as he finally gets out of the spotlight permanently.
My money is on a wrist slap but we’ll see. The rich and politically well connected are notoriously known for getting away with just about anything in the U.S. Y’know because they built the system and rigged it to be in their favor. Fairness is the philosophical tooth fairy, it doesn’t exist. I won’t be clutching my pearls about how justice in america is dead if he slips away with a few hundred mil in fines and 200 hours community service before he gets booted out to live the rest of his days on one of his private islands in bumfuck nowhere atlantic ocean.
He’s that terminal cancer we all hate, like truly hate.
Starting to think he’ll never go to jail, and most likely he’ll get re-elected.
He’ll probably die before seeing his jail cell.
At this point, I’ll accept that. Go cholesterol, go!
I’m fine with him dying afraid.
Hopefully soon
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Bold of you to assume they can.
You mean all those letters actually mean something?
Like a mashed-potatoes sculpture.
Acting as a martyr he is gaining even more consensus. This can backfire… like what happened with, say, Berlusconi who got re-elected multiple times despite being prosecuted.
No it won’t backfire. He’ll act like a martyr no matter what happens or doesn’t happen.
The only difference is whether he’s held accountable for his crimes and pretends to be a martyr or not held accountable and still pretends to be a martyr.
As for the cult believing him, same deal. Following the leader blindly is what cults do.
This guy acted like a martyr while simultaneously bragging about a “small loan of a million dollars”
True, I imagine he’d find something else to complain about. Although I also think that he had quietly slipped away (and not horde secret documents), people won’t feel so compelled about prosecuting him.
He hasn’t done anything quietly since at least the 80s, though…
Maybe so, but it would backfire even more if they completely refrained from holding him accountable for his countless crimes.
He has all the support he’s ever going to get. His supporters are probably going to go ballistic when he’s convicted but they go ballistic most of the time anyway. He’s not swaying on the fence voters.
He’s actually repelling voters while at the same time splitting the Republican vote. He is actually the left secret weapon against the right, let Trump do as much damage as possible to the Republicans, and then come on in the campaign time, point out but he is basically trying to start a dictatorship.
He has all the support he’s ever going to get, but he will also have them forever, no matter what.
Unless democrats muster really really good turnout it could be an ugly surprise again.
Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions…
Hesh doesn’t know how to read!
…underneath the water… 🎶
They do red though…
Ok, I laughed a bit, nice put
Why so downvoted… I thought it was a good effort 5/7
No idea. It sounded funny in my head. I guess I missed the mark somehow.
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What on Earth are you on about? Trump deserves to be tried for his crimes, and George Floyd should also have been tried in a court to see if he was guilty of committing any crimes. Only Floyd was executed in the street before he could be tried for anything, and Trump is still barely facing any consequences for his life of documented crimes.
Ahh, I see you’re well versed in the classic conservative tactic of “making things up then being angry about them”.
Whatever George Floyd actually did wrong, it should not have resulted in him being killed by a cops knee on his neck.
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Here’s a thought experiment. Say we have roving death squads deputized to kill bad guys at will. What happens when the death squad guy turns out to be a bad guy? How do you prevent the death squad guys from killing whoever they want? Or even each other? The best answer we’ve come up with so far is a fair trial.
If a man points a gun at someone, they are a threat. If a man is completely subdued and immobilized, face down on the ground, completely surrounded, they no longer pose a threat. Killing someone who does not pose a threat is murder.
Well obviously then you need a death squad squad which is responsible for patrolling the death squads. Only good guys with death squads can stop bad guys with death squads.
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Go back to Twitter or reddit, attention seeking troll.
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Wow I haven’t heard those charges on Trump yet, but I am not shocked. I hope he goes a way for a long time. Fuck djt.
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That’s how not how the justice system works bud.
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Let me know when Trump gets choked to death because he may have broken a law.
What are you, the king of false equivalents?
So, are you a troll or are you sincerely this bad of a person?
Remember that time George Floyd was caught bragging about his dozens of stolen US documents on twitter? I remember it about as well as I remember George Floyd’s trial…
Oh wait he didn’t fucking have one because they fucking crushed his neck with a fucking knee.
Hmm, I understand the concept, but this should be adjusted:
“Why Donald Trump is Being Prosecuted”
“Because he is accused of committing crimes.”
Remember, folks, innocent until proven guilty.
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Yep, and surprising absolutely no one.
In my view, innocent until proven guilty is a concept that only applies to legal proceedings. It’s a vital concept to apply to the state to prevent tyranny. But the colloquial standard of proof is much lower, We know he did those things, he’s even admitted it, and those things are crimes. He committed crimes.
And, we can safely say it, and it will have no effect on the legal proceedings, because we’re not part of them. Let’s not muddy the waters, and let’s save “allegedly” in the colloquial context for things for which we have no proof. Otherwise, how do we talk about cases like OJ Simpson? Everybody knows he did it, but the state didn’t meet its burden of proof in court. In the legal sense, he’s not guilty, and in the colloquial sense, he’s guilty, and both of those things can be true at once.
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I respect it by accepting the outcome of the legal process, even if I don’t like it, not by tying myself up in conversational knots. I, for one, will continue to say that he committed crimes, because he did. Whether he’s convicted is different matter.
I respect it by accepting the outcome of the legal process, even if I don’t like it, not by tying myself up in conversational knots.
I, for one, will continue to say that he committed crimes, because he did. Whether he’s convicted is different matter.
English may be my second language, but isn’t those pretty contradictory?
“I already believe he is guilty” is an opinion which does not violate the legal process unless you’re in the juror’s box or otherwise involved in the justice system prosecuting him.
I don’t think so. One is a statement of (perceived) fact. The other the outcome of a process. Committing crimes is what triggers criminal legal proceedings. At least, in a just world. There are too many people convicted by a court of law who did not commit a crime, and I’m not going to call them criminals.
Committing crimes is what triggers criminal legal proceedings.
Being accused of committing a crime is what triggers criminal legal proceedings. Many people commit crimes and get away with it because they have no accusers. Many others are defendants who are accused, but did not actually commit any crime. I’m not saying that Trump didn’t commit crimes (it’s pretty obvious that he did), but I am pointing out that it is the accusation and being formally charged that causes one to be prosecuted. In my mind, it’s an important distinction.
Fair point, and a good elaboration. That dovetails with my thinking, too. If a house gets robbed and there’s no evidence who did it, we still call it a crime, even without a conviction in court. If we accuse somebody of it, that’s a good use of “accused criminal” in the colloquial sense.
It’s my second language too and I can see how it might be confusing, but as far as I can tell, they’re saying
“I’ll accept the verdict whether or not he’s declared guilty. That won’t stop me from continuing to say he’s guilty, though”
Trump himself was all too happy to let accusations fly about Hunter Biden although nothing is proven guilty there.
You must be either very rich and powerful or very delusional if you think the US “justice” system protects you and Trump equally 🙄
Also, innocent until proven guilty is not a rare concept globally by any stretch of the imagination so you can stow your American Exceptionalism bullshit too while you’re at it.
It’s pretty rare in fact. Vast majority of humanity lives under judicial systems that require defendants to prove their innocence rather than prosecutors to prove the defendants’ guilt.
Given the reams of evidence that have been widely shared, I’m pretty comfortable applying my own standard of reasonable doubt and point out the obvious - he’s guilty.
I’m not doling out consequences - if me saying that hurts his feelings, he’s welcome to try suing me.
From a legal perspective? Sure.
From the litany of publicly available evidence? He’s definitely guilty, and I’m comfy saying as much and treating him as such.
Even from a legal perspective, he’s been found guilty in civil court several times already and if the justice system works at all (which, granted, is not a given in the US), it’s only a matter of time before he’s found guilty in a criminal court as well.
Not to mention impeached twice…
Not going to matter ultimately. Republicans have dedicated themselves to making impeachment charges meaningless. Every single Democrat president is going to get impeached from here on, unless republicans can kick the trash out of their party.
I didn’t say it as an indicator of consequences - only confirmation of guilt, but yeah - that’s otherwise a pretty accurate take from where I’m sitting.
Of course, and I’m not disagreeing with you. :)
Yeah, jury already found him guilty and the judge twice said we’re allowed to call the rapist Trump a rapist. In his business fraud case, he is also already found guilty. So he is already a rapist fraudster. I think the meme stands as it is.
Reread the meme. It’s not asking why Trump is guilty, it’s asking why he’s being prosecuted. Being accused of a crime is what precedes criminal prosecution, regardless of whether or not one actually committed the crimes one is being accused of.
Reread the meme. Everything in it is true.
We’ve all seen the evidence. We’ve seen the pictures of classified documents sitting in Mara Lago. We’ve heard the recording of Trump openly admitting that he didn’t declassify them and shouldn’t have them. It’s farcical to pretend he’s not guilty.
“Yes that’s me in that video murdering those people, and I’ll do it again!”
Hey guys, we gotta presume innocence!
Your joke suggests a different situation where the accused is declaring their guilt. Not exactly the same thing.
Actually very close to the same thing, since Trump has declared his guilt too. Just because he framed it as a good thing to do doesn’t make it any less of a confession.
I never said he wasn’t guilty. I merely pointed out that an accusation is what precedes legal prosecution, regardless of whether or not the accused actually committed a crime. Despite irrefutable evidence of Trump’s crimes existing, it remains important to remember the way the system actually works.
We’re not on the jury. We can say what’s obvious.
Fuck off with that nonsense. There’s been incontrovertible proof and unwitting confessions from himself publicly available for years and he’s been found guilty in civil courts several times. It’s only a matter of time before he’s found guilty in criminal court too. Unless the “justice” system is as broken as it sometimes seems to be.
Bottom line, there’s more proof of him being guilty than of owls existing.
Reread the picture. It’s not asking, “Why is Trump guilty?” or "Did Trump commit crimes? It’s asking, “Why is Trump being prosecuted?” Too many innocent people are prosecuted for us to ignore this distinction when it regards someone we despise.
Nope, still a load of shit in the specific case of Trump. It’s innocent until proven guilty and there’s more publicly available proof of him being 100% without a a shadow of a doubt guilty than of cheetahs being fast runners.
Innocent people might also be prosecuted, but Trump has committed multiple crimes and that’s why he’s being prosecuted. It’s not any more complicated than that.
He has admitted to crimes himself on video countless times.
