So according to you, the people who want everyone with the wrong kind of mustache to be deported, who want citizenships revoked, who want to “remove the outmoded political party system”, who are already obstructing the judicial system in Thurinigia, who want to defund public media because it’s “too woke”, who want to gut universities because they are “too woke”, who want to fuck up the environment because - guess what - also “woke”, and who want to overthrow the constitutional order are not the fascists?
Fwiw, German law explicitly allows the government to ask the constitutional court to check whether a party behaves consistently with constitutional order, and if not, outlawing them based on that. The German constitution includes some learnings from WWII: This includes a paragraphs on non-discrimination, on the individual right to asylum, on outlawing parties that threaten to overthrow the constitutional order.
I had multiple reports on the comment, you know, you called people here “nazis”. I don’t know in what sense you feel mischaracterized though. There is no direct or indirect quote from you in my comment.
The question still stands though: We have a group of people that exhibits a bunch of characteristics of nazis (see above). And you say that the people who don’t like them are the nazis.
I was giving context on what Afd wants, and then asking, if you really think they are the good guys here. That’s not a mischaracterization of your words.
The AfD wants people with the “wrong kind of moustache” deported? Source?
Note I have NEVER said that the AfD are “the good guys”. I’m defending democracy. If people want to vote for a party that wants to rid their universities of racist DEI policies, wants to rid social media of censorship of one side of all political debates, etc then they should be able to.
I would say the same for anyone that dares to say that any “woke left” parties should be removed from any elections. That’s not democracy. You don’t just remove parties from there because you don’t like them. That’s authoritarian fascism.
I am not the one you are asking, but personally, in my honest opinion: An “emergency government”, lets say with a 20 year term, removing far right parties, doing the necessary changes to massively reduce our climate impact and prepare for the ineviteable fallout from climate change and doing other reforms wouldn’t be THAT bad of an idea…
It absolutely would be a horrible idea lol. wtf are you talking about?!
You’re asking for a dictatorship as long as it’s one that says they’ll do what you want. If you make rules allowing for a political party to remove any competitors and install themselves in power for as long as they want, how could it possibly go wrong?. Jesus Christ.
So would you be ok with trump declaring an emergency government for himself for the next 20 years and removing all far left policies and making sure no left of centre parties can ever take control?
No, what i am dalking about is: We WILL see a rise of an authoritarian party in germany in the near future, as we see with many countries worldwide at the moment. And i say: IF we are already doomed to have an authoritarian / fascist regime, i prefer it to be on the ecofascist side. And if there will be an opportunity for such an regime, well, i WILL support it.
See here is where your issues begin. You’re saying that what the majority want is wrong. You’ve decided that you know what is factually correct, you’re smarter than them all, and that the majority should not get a say.
You want fascism. You want authoritarianism. You think that you and your opinions are non debatable correct, and want them dictated to everyone.
Not sure, but installing an unelected goverment and abolishing elections for 20 years is literally fighting fascism with fascism, so let’s not do that.
I am a bit fatalistic and perhaps a bit on the doomer side, but i am pretty sure we will get fascism one way or the other soon… and if this is ineviteable, i am very much in favour of installing ecofascism instead of other forms.
Just so we’re clear - you’re calling for an end to democracy in Germany? You’re asking for the will of the people to be ignored and actually outlawed?
There can be no tolerance against intolerance, it’s a paradox.
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So according to you, the people who want everyone with the wrong kind of mustache to be deported, who want citizenships revoked, who want to “remove the outmoded political party system”, who are already obstructing the judicial system in Thurinigia, who want to defund public media because it’s “too woke”, who want to gut universities because they are “too woke”, who want to fuck up the environment because - guess what - also “woke”, and who want to overthrow the constitutional order are not the fascists?
Fwiw, German law explicitly allows the government to ask the constitutional court to check whether a party behaves consistently with constitutional order, and if not, outlawing them based on that. The German constitution includes some learnings from WWII: This includes a paragraphs on non-discrimination, on the individual right to asylum, on outlawing parties that threaten to overthrow the constitutional order.
Did you just delete my comment and reply to it so no one can see what I actually said, while completely fabricating the message of what I said? Lol
I had multiple reports on the comment, you know, you called people here “nazis”. I don’t know in what sense you feel mischaracterized though. There is no direct or indirect quote from you in my comment.
The question still stands though: We have a group of people that exhibits a bunch of characteristics of nazis (see above). And you say that the people who don’t like them are the nazis.
I’m the one being called a nazi repeatedly! Lol
Also your post literally starts with
And then goes on to say a bunch of stuff that I DID NOT SAY NOR EVEN HINT AT - and then you say there was no mischaracterization? No “indirect quote”?
You literally made up things and said that it was “according to me”!
I was giving context on what Afd wants, and then asking, if you really think they are the good guys here. That’s not a mischaracterization of your words.
The AfD wants people with the “wrong kind of moustache” deported? Source?
Note I have NEVER said that the AfD are “the good guys”. I’m defending democracy. If people want to vote for a party that wants to rid their universities of racist DEI policies, wants to rid social media of censorship of one side of all political debates, etc then they should be able to.
I would say the same for anyone that dares to say that any “woke left” parties should be removed from any elections. That’s not democracy. You don’t just remove parties from there because you don’t like them. That’s authoritarian fascism.
I am not the one you are asking, but personally, in my honest opinion: An “emergency government”, lets say with a 20 year term, removing far right parties, doing the necessary changes to massively reduce our climate impact and prepare for the ineviteable fallout from climate change and doing other reforms wouldn’t be THAT bad of an idea…
It absolutely would be a horrible idea lol. wtf are you talking about?!
You’re asking for a dictatorship as long as it’s one that says they’ll do what you want. If you make rules allowing for a political party to remove any competitors and install themselves in power for as long as they want, how could it possibly go wrong?. Jesus Christ.
So would you be ok with trump declaring an emergency government for himself for the next 20 years and removing all far left policies and making sure no left of centre parties can ever take control?
No, what i am dalking about is: We WILL see a rise of an authoritarian party in germany in the near future, as we see with many countries worldwide at the moment. And i say: IF we are already doomed to have an authoritarian / fascist regime, i prefer it to be on the ecofascist side. And if there will be an opportunity for such an regime, well, i WILL support it.
I don’t think you know what authoritarianism actually is.
What countries are we seeing a rise in authoritarianism in currently, with examples of their authoritarian policies?
I have relatives in China and Vietnam and lived in both places for extended periods of time… well, let’s just say i have a rough estimate…
Ok so those examples then?
Yeah, “emergency powers” have never caused any problems in the past …
What else can you do when > 50% of the population is unwilling to help solving the single most dangerous problem in human history?
See here is where your issues begin. You’re saying that what the majority want is wrong. You’ve decided that you know what is factually correct, you’re smarter than them all, and that the majority should not get a say.
You want fascism. You want authoritarianism. You think that you and your opinions are non debatable correct, and want them dictated to everyone.
Yup, can not deny that
At least you’re honest I guess.
Not sure, but installing an unelected goverment and abolishing elections for 20 years is literally fighting fascism with fascism, so let’s not do that.
It’s not even fighting fascism with fascism, it’s just straight up wanting fascism as long as it’s his “team” in control.
I am a bit fatalistic and perhaps a bit on the doomer side, but i am pretty sure we will get fascism one way or the other soon… and if this is ineviteable, i am very much in favour of installing ecofascism instead of other forms.
OK so at least you admit that you just want fascism where the party you like is in control.