I mean, different people have different traditions for sure, and I have no intention of invalidating your beliefs and upbringing in any way. And there are of course also different denominations of Judaism, Orthodox and Conservative Jews for example are much more focused on God for certain. But in the US, Reform Jews are the most common and for most Reform Jews tradition and community tend to be the most important tenents, faith in God coming in somewhere behind those.
It’s so demonstrably false.
That strikes me as extraordinarily difficult to demonstrate…
Rabbi or whoever : god said let there be light and then Adam and Eve and whatnot etc. other hilarious explanations of the world by scientifically illiterates ancient people.
Me: “what about the Big Bang? And dinosaurs? The Torah says nothing about cheeseburgers. Why can u not eat one?”
Bad faith arguments indeed… I’ve been nothing but reasonable, which anyone reading this can clearly see. So when I politely pointed out that your arguments are weak, you changed tactics, trying to discredit me instead. At this point that effort only provides additional supporting evidence that you are in fact just a troll.
That’s a load of hooey dude. I was raised Jewish.
God is the first thing. And the last thing in that tradition
Come on dude. Don’t tell a lie like that.
It’s so demonstrably false.
I mean, different people have different traditions for sure, and I have no intention of invalidating your beliefs and upbringing in any way. And there are of course also different denominations of Judaism, Orthodox and Conservative Jews for example are much more focused on God for certain. But in the US, Reform Jews are the most common and for most Reform Jews tradition and community tend to be the most important tenents, faith in God coming in somewhere behind those.
That strikes me as extraordinarily difficult to demonstrate…
Easy demonstration.
Me in Jewish Sunday school late 1980s.
Rabbi or whoever : god said let there be light and then Adam and Eve and whatnot etc. other hilarious explanations of the world by scientifically illiterates ancient people.
Me: “what about the Big Bang? And dinosaurs? The Torah says nothing about cheeseburgers. Why can u not eat one?”
……
So how does one example demonstrate that Jews, as a group all hold that belief?
It seems to me more like you’re just trying to spread divisive sentiments, like a troll.
The Ten Commandments
And of course not “all” of anything are going to be identical.
But you know that. It’s a bad-faith argument.
The exceptions prove the rule and all that.
It’s just more proof that:
BAD FAITH ARGUMENTS ARE REQUIRED TO DEFEND RELIGIONS
Bad faith arguments indeed… I’ve been nothing but reasonable, which anyone reading this can clearly see. So when I politely pointed out that your arguments are weak, you changed tactics, trying to discredit me instead. At this point that effort only provides additional supporting evidence that you are in fact just a troll.
It seems we have a fundamental disagreement here (or more than one)
First off— dismissing my dissent as “trolling” is wack.
Secondly- you made no points besides “not all are like that”
Ok buddy.
Go pray to god or whatever.
I’m not here to argue just to share my perspective.
Dismiss me if you must, but it’s harder to dismiss my arguments huh?
That’s why you’re mad and calling me a troll. Because you’re mad that I make sense and it causes you to question your foundational beliefs.
I ain’t mad at you. This is part of the growing process.
Good luck!
You’re both wrong! Judaism is a culture centered around matzo ball soup.
Legit.