Donald Trump has suggested large numbers of Palestinians should leave Gaza to “just clean out” the whole strip, after ordering the US military to restart shipments of 2,000lb bombs to Israel.
The US president said he wanted Gaza residents to move to neighbouring nations, and that they could be displaced “temporarily or could be long-term”, after a phone call with Jordan’s King Abdullah on Saturday.
“I said to him: I’d love you to take on more because I’m looking at the whole Gaza Strip right now and it’s a mess, it’s a real mess. I’d like him to take people,” Trump said, when asked about the call.
He also suggested Egypt as a destination for Gaza residents, and said he would raise the issue with President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi on Sunday.
And that’s why Kamala’s stance on Palestine never bothered me.
I knew that as bad as it was, Trump would be worse.
I was right.
Here are my thoughts:
- Israel has been committing genocide in Gaza since day 1, they just pick up the pace sometimes
- Every US president this century has enabled this
- Biden and Harris were all on board with the current round of fast genocide and they should be remembered for it
- Trump pretends to be anti-war but emboldened this shit by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem in 2018 or 19
- Netanyahu wanted Trump to win, as evidenced by meeting him during the campaign last year
- Any ceasefire supposedly happening right now is entirely to give Trump good press. He’s going to give Israel even more support for their imperialist bullshit than Biden did and Harris would have
- Because Trump won, the federal government is going after immigrants, nonwhite people, LGBT people, etc, and is going to further tear the good parts of the government down
I’m pretty disillusioned with the Democrats between the imperialism and almost completely giving in to the fascist takeover, but I wouldn’t be looking to get out of the country if Harris had won, so thanks for that if you could have voted and didn’t.
edit: I voted Uncommitted in the primary, helped out at my local Gaza camp, and have gone to rallies and distributed books about Palestine, so I’m not just sitting here at my computer saying all this
“Clean out”, what a wording. So they no longer have any problem saying they support genocide.
Wonderful. Nothing like the US backing state sponsored terrorism. Not that it’s anything new…
Protest voters looking more and more stupid by the day. And will continue to do so every day for the next 4 years minimum.
Oh so an actual genocide. Curious.
Continued genocide. As advertised.
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Do you believe what was happening up until now was not genocide? Because if you don’t then calling this an actual genocide makes it seem like you do.
Nonono, it’s only genocide if it comes from Republicans. Otherwise, it’s just sparkling ethnic cleansing.
Gaza would have had a chance… Now bye bye
How? Honest question.
USA withheld weapon shipments under Biden, and according to white house staff Biden would regularly cuss out Netanyahu over the phone for harming civillians.
Whether you believe it or not, the Biden admin was constantly trying to negotiate ceasefire, but when they presented their deal with hostage release as a bargaining tool in the UN it got vetoed by Russia and China.
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Harry Sission is that you? The same White House staff that told everyone how young & dynamic Biden was. LOL!
You mean the one UN ceasefire that was just to allow Israel to regroup and rearm not actually move towards peace? That was also what 5 ceasefire resolutions after all the ones USA vetoed?
not include provisions supporting ongoing diplomatic efforts to secure a ceasefire - an element of the U.S. resolution. Washington has been working with Qatar and Egypt to try to broker a deal.
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Now with U.S.-approved ethnic cleansing.
Implying it wasn’t already one?
Hey you’re cool with the current regime and like genocide! What’s it like being a genocide apologist?Edit: Taking potshots at people who I agree with and don’t deserve it is bad form.
In what way is saying it was already ethic cleansing and a genocide makes me a genocide apologist???
You know what? You’re right, I’m sorry. Taking out my frustrations with the current regime on the wrong target.
It’s okay. Completely understand. (and there’s actually someone in the comments who should take that advice)
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Gaza had a chance under Harris, yes Not anymore.
She campaigned on being exactly like Biden, how would they have a chance?
They had a chance under Biden. He was withholding large bombs and putting pressure on Netanyahu to end the conflict.
Now the bombs are being delivered and Trump is putting pressure on Netanyahu to finish the conflict.
Oh, yes. I’m sure that he would’ve succeeded eventually. Just give him another 4 years…
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Lol his one act of defiance was limiting the 2000lb bombs. Really worked hard there to stop it.
What pressure did Biden ever put on Israel?
jfc you’re really acting like massive explosive ordinance shipments being halted doesn’t have any impact so you can justify helping elect an actual genocidal fascist?
Native Americans suggest Americans should leave, “Just clean out “ the whole country, allow it to be rewilded and return to how it should be.
WHERE ARE ALL THE GENOCIDE JOE BOTS AT??? Fucking idiots, I can’t believe people got swayed by such obvious propaganda into not voting.
I guess it’s time for all the “protest voters” to either admit they never gave a shit about Palestine or admit they fell for Russian propaganda.
Of course that’s if they remember about Palestine. A shiny red ball might have rolled past and distracted them.
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You’re country is sending gopnik prisoners and NK detainees to die in the icy heart of Ukraine, prick.
Stop trolling
It’s time for people to understand that the blue and red party in america are the same shit and voting someone else or not supporting the government is the only way to make a change.
Voting for one of the clowns that got <1,000,000 votes isn’t going to accomplish anything.
Then don’t support the government and think about another solution.
I wonder if 1M other people just like you are saying that.
Even an extra million split between the greens, libertarians, socialist workers, etc isn’t significant compared to the 70+million that the Democrats and Republicans each get.
What was Biden or Kamala gonna do that woulda been better than this?
Presumably the same stuff they did for the last year?
Supplying the munitions for a genocidal carpet bombing campaign? That’s better?
You keep asking like you WANT to know, but that’s just you sealioning like a good .ml chud.
We all know what you’re doing and you’re detracting from any sentiment people outside your echochamber can form on your group.
Personally I don’t enjoy genocide supporters so I’m going to tell you to fuck all the way off. You could suck start a shotgun for all I care 💁
The genocide started 15 months ago and has been steadily supplied and defended by Biden/Harris
@generalemergency,
Dnc centrists who wouldnt let any possible supporters of Palestinians into the democratic party convention are the real unsung heros here, right?Do your posts like this one make you feel better about yourself? Thats why you’re posting isnt it. You told yourself you ‘held your nose’ while voting but you didnt really hold your nose at all. You were happy to drop every semblence of basic human morality and dignity in order to win-- and then you lost anyway.. Now you’re angry at those on your own side who didnt shit their own bed and roll around in it like you did.
To win at all in the future and reclaim the demographic losses, the dems need to admit that what was done in Plaestine was wrong. They need to admit Biden and Harris both were not doing their job and not representing the working class, but were simply chasing corporate and special interest campaign dollars. If the party can do that it might survive. Otherwise its probably dead, becuase No one thinks the democrats stand for anything, and the rage evident at the elites related to Luigi’s prosecution is increasingly the response toward out of touch dem leaders. No one supports corporatists so get your shit together.
It’s funny you think there will be legitimate elections in 4 years. I mean Republicans are already pushing ways to give Trump a third term. So like, congrats on having Gaza screwed even harder while simultaneously throwing away any semblance of democracy?
At least the corporate corrupt Dems gave a small window for changing things democratically while not screwing over Trans people in the USA as well.
By abstaining you allowed the greater evil to prevail, not prevented any evil from occuring.
By abstaining you allowed the greater evil to prevail
I’m heartened to hear that you at least understand that Biden/Harris was evil. Its a good start.
Actual leftists KNEW that already. Kamala, Biden, the majority of the DNC - they’re all corrupt corporatists.
But the situation the USA was in was one of minimizing overall damage. And with the corporatists, there was still a small chance of gaining some control from them peacefully via elections, if simply because more left leaning people can at least run under the Democrat moniker.
With the fascists, that opportunity is gone. By allowing them to win, not only do you worsen the genocide occuring in Israel (if not ensured Israel from achieving it entirely), but also just got killed a bunch of other people and hurt a huge amount of minorities in the USA as well.
Not voting didn’t stop the genocide and never would have, but it did guarantee that it gets worse while hurting other innocents outside of Palestine as well. If you didn’t vote for Kamala (which literally means “horrible” in Finnish), you’re a dumbass, because you allowed a greater evil to prevail. Especially since I know many of y’all abstainers are still paying taxes anyway and funding the genocides either way.
But the situation the USA was in was one of minimizing overall damage
thats logical in a narrow scoping, but I think its reasonable to also consider the longer term effects of the ‘left’ party in the US continuing a track of far right wing actions over time and how that changes the Democratic party and likely destroys it. No one will vote for republican-lite or fascist lite-- those platforms always lose. The DNC doesn’t understand that. Maybe occasionally a Dem leader goes off the rails and can be disavowed later, sure, but if the party stays evil for long enough, that option of disavowing the evildoers’ mistakes goes away and sticks to all dems. The voter losses across all demographics in the last elections show we are at the point of losing the voters and with that our ability to win in the future. For now its still an option to disavow and explicitly reject Biden/Harris’s actions, if we find the stones to throw the old pro-evil anti-lower and anti-middle class leadership out on their ass and admit they were wrong.
Sure the war crimes were destined to happen with either party after the election-- and I’d argue with similar severity. Both parties will let the zionists do whatever they want, whenever they want, to whomever they want. Both parties will also fund the zionists with weapons and money, and will run interference in the UN. But I’d rather they be done by the US republicans which gives us at least a chance to rescue the US Dems, which was badly in need of rescue. Rescue means disempowering the bad actors, which is now completed. Without a dethroning of centrism that evil direction was immutable due to the way funding steers political action in the US. So the dems had to lose the election to pure evil or face political dissolution as evil lite in the short-middle time frame. Yes, the cost is dire in terms of Trump being much worse with internal policy. The prognosis for the US is possibly fatal… We are on life support as a country of laws and as an entity on the world stage with global reserve currency dominance.
Before the election, both parties seemed inevitably doomed-- it was simply of whether it was in the very short term or in the short-medium term. Now the Dems might conceivably disavow their mistakes and correct themselves, after a trip to the woodshed for what we all should agree is a beating of the neolibs that needs to occur if we are to move forward.
Either way we have a lot to answer for as a people who perpetuate this political reality, which affects the world quite a bit. The concept of collective responsibility exists, even if Americans seldom talk about it or understand it.
Your argument doesn’t follow logic.
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you say voting for Dems would destroy it, but letting literal fascists get absolute power would also destroy it, permanently, while also destroying why change for actual leftists to gain power.
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for some reason you think it’s better to let the fascists win to destroy the center right, but not destroy the fascists by not allowing them to gain power continuously???
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you stated it’s not ethical to allow the Democrats to continue existing as they are because they’re not as a whole left wing and are also causing harm, but it’s ethical to have many more suffer? That’s just hypocrisy.
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you assume the DNC is dumb rather than corrupt
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you assume you’ll still have a legitimate democracy after Trump.
you say voting for Dems would destroy it, but letting literal fascists get absolute power would also destroy it, permanently,
“it” the first time being the democratic party. We cant prop up a far right dem party. correct.
Your second use of “it” is the republic itself.
Call me names all you want, or disagree all you want, thats fine with me.
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Well, at least you can whine about how other people voted, and that’ll make you feel better, I guess.
Nah, but I can live with knowing I at least tried to stop literal Nazis from gaining absolute power.
Can you say the same?
(Uhh, my guy, he likes nazis…)
Do you think Musk wouldn’t pay Democrat to get what he wanted? He literally manage to get his wealth while 2 Democrat presidents held office.
I believe he just change teams because it was expected after Biden left the race.
I do believe he knew before it is official that Biden would drop and Trump assassination attempt and moment was clear that he will get the same votes as before so he diced to get favor early.
Some timeline:
Trump assassination attempt was on July 13, 2024
Public Musk endorsement was on the same day.
Biden left the race on July 21, 2024
I do believe that while he might not be publicly a Nazi he will get what he need throughout Democrat president based on his history.
That you still say he’s not publicly a Nazi says everything.
While worded clumsily, I believe they were trying to say “had a Democrat become president, he would continue ‘hiding his power level’”
Thanks for finishing the genocide, Biden was getting tired and your support for Trump is really gonna help israel out.
You were so worried looking at bed A you didn’t think you’d be forced into bed B
Watching you comment, I despair that dems didnt learn a damned thing from this election loss.
And what lesson would that be? Because I’ve seen that line of thinking parroted a suspicious amount lately and I’ve seen one person actually explain what they mean.
So enlighten me.
And what lesson would that be?
I’ll humor you, although I’m surprised you’ve not heard this yet:
What Dem leadership should have learned:
- Have to get back to operating from a platform, not vibes or cult of personality.
- No more genocide. Get back to leading from principle rather than realpolitik. Explicitely ditch the far right zionists-- we can make money elsewhere, and we are not a far right party.
- Be the party of the people. Lower and middle class votes are needed to win. Get back to expanding social programs.
- Stop insulting people. We don’t “go high when they go low”, we kick their ass wherever they are, but we don’t insult voters, and we also dont self-censor for comity’s sake.
- To move fwd and reunite the coalition that is the Dem party, we have to acknowledge that the party hasnt been doing what the people want, and was also engaging in a genocide. No more weasel words around that. Lets get it over with.
- Act like the party is a coalition, not a centrally controlled imperium. Stop kicking the left in the face.
- Dont look for votes form the right.
- Dont lionize bipartisanship as a goal unto itself.
- Create metrics for success and be accountable for them.
- Publish a long term plan for the party, and candidates who wont adhere to it shouldnt be in the party.
- Kick out the right wingers. When we get Bidens/Manchins/Liebermans not towing the line, remove them from their committees and dont fund their re-elections. No dems should be against the platform like Biden did for ~40 years being anti abortion. He should have been kicked to the curb decades ago.
- No more “seniority” in congressional leadership appointments. Go by merit and votes of the constituents.
- term limits for leadership appointments.
- A code of ethics. For starters, dems shouldnt ever be trading stocks the legislate on. It soils the image of the whole party when individuals are corrupt, and that needs to stop. Pelosi needs to go for her decades of insider trading. That never should have been permitted.
- Set a mandatory retirement age for Dems. 70 sounds reasonable. If you are a judge you leave after 70 as soon as a dem administration can appoint your successor. No more waiting for death/incapacity and hurting your party when you go out that way. Lets get these people thinking of the party over their own arrogance. It took everyone way too lont to admit Biden was not fit to run again. That was BS. Party members should have been able to question his competence earlier.
- No more telling states they cant vote in the primary like the dnc did with new hampshire.
- no more shenanigans during primaries like Hillary did with Bernie… They should be fair votes. No more effing superdelegates.
- no more locking constituents out of the convention. The DNC doesnt get to censure voters requests. Those corrupt sons of bitches need to admit they work for us.
It’s genuinely saddening to see you’re still here parroting these lines after the bots have long since packed up and gone home.
The party with the best option to beat trump is still walking around with no future because it has its head up its own arse. They cant admit that abandoning the working class and embracing zionist murder for some campaign cash is going to keep them from winning in the future. And Hasbara is still paying its trolls, clearly.
What makes you think bots left? They are probably low cost to run once theyve been set up. By bots maybe you mean the opinions you dont like dont post as much? Yeah everyone feels defeated and hopeless. Most of my friends wont read the news anymore. I dont blame them.
It’s very obvious to everyone that Palestinians are much worse off now.
Much worse off now? Since the ceasefire?
Ah yes. Silly me. I’m sure Palestinians are looking forward to living happily ever after under trumps protection. This whole “ethnic cleansing” thing is just the news media I’m sure.
No lets circle back to exactly what you said. How are they “much worse off”?
So, “silly you”, you admit what you said isnt true, right? The brutality you cited under trump is the same (or less) brutality Palestinians enjoyed under Biden? If you agree, then I agree with you.
Except to the Palestinians who aren’t being massacred like they were for the ceasefire. Pretty common for Democrats to say things like this though… what was it that Biden said, “You ain’t black unless you vote for me!”
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Dear me.
As a matter of fact, I’ve never been to Germany or anywhere in Europe for that matter.
I’m Australian, and just happen to be using a server with a .de TLD.
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Hah. We’ve never had “concentration camps”, that’s a specific term referring to a specific thing.
It’s true that Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers in recent decades has a lot to criticise.
I’m not really certain why you’re so fixated on my heritage and the associated ethical misadventures of my compatriots?
‘Why do you care that I’m a white south African from apartheid days when you’re accusing me of being racist? What does that matter?’
Dnc centrists who wouldnt let any possible supporters of Palestinians into the democratic party convention are the real unsung heros here, right?
The guy you’re responding to never said that. You’ve discredited your entire comment in the first sentence and there’s no reason to even bother reading the rest of whatever you wrote.
My dood, it is a two party system. Both parties sucked shit when it came to this issue, and the DNC lost votes due to this fact (as one side seems to like some genocide anyway). This issue across both awful parties is implied in the first post and is countered in the “discredited” comment, you know with the whole “held your nose” line. Guess you did not read that far…
You don’t have to agree with the statement, but if you read that “discredited” comment you would see both of you; Know the worse party of the two won, and more importantly one of you seems to have an idea on how not to have the same thing happen again.
My dood, when he opens with a flat out lie about what the guy he’s responding to said, I’m not going to bother reading the rest of it. I thought that I made that pretty clear. So trying to have a discussion about the rest of what he had to say isn’t going to be very productive.
Yes, it’s a two party system and both sucked on this issue. But one sucks a whole fucking lot more on it and also sucks on literally every other issue there is. And I’m not going to coddle a bunch of people who can’t see that.
My dood, I am telling you they did not open with a flat out lie about the comment they are replying to. They are making a point you don’t like, sure! But no where was there a lie about what people said, just inferences made.
Like cool, you dislike what was said, but spending more time defending your stance of not reading then just reading and downvoting is wild and silly.
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By your comment, should we assume you’re the ones who thought that a known racist and islamophobe with ties with Israel would be the best option for Palestinians?
Well, Palestine won’t exist in the next election cycle. What lies will you trust next?
I guess some people aren’t ready to admit their mistakes.
The irony of you losers high handing people. You lot lost this last election.
Who do you think you are? You’re right down here in the mud with the rest of us. The party brand is in absolute tatters and trust in it has never been lower. Heck of a job. And then you try to lecture people? Its absurd.
If you voted for genocide…that was a mistake.
I didn’t vote for genocide. What did you do?
Yes we get it, you just made sure the literal Nazis got power and gave Israel the means to 100% Speedrun the genocide.
I didn’t vote for genocide.
Do you feel ok about that in the context of what’s about to happen in Palestine?
Do I feel okay about voting for an anti-genocide candidate? Of course. Why wouldn’t I?
The question is: why are so many people okay voting for a pro-genocide candidate?
We shouldn’t even be having this conversation. No Democratic candidate should be supporting genocide. Ever. And nobody should be defending her!
Why wouldn’t I?
Because you’ve enabled Trump to grind palestinians into the dust.
Who do you think Palestinians wanted to win the election?
There’s a ceasefire right now because of Trump. How many Palestinians do you think died while the Biden admin was vetoing the UN security council to stop the genocide?
One of two people was going to win this election and unless you voted for the other one, you helped elect Trump.
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It wasn’t inaction. I voted for Jill Stein.
So you didn’t do anything to avoid a Trump presidency. That’s inaction.
Same here bro, an actual progressive candidate who had no problem saying no to genocide unlike most of the Democrats here. What did Kamala do? She endorsed a smear ad against her:
No, Kamala helped Trump:
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll
Those 29% are fucking idiots. Trump is making things worse exactly like everyone with an IQ above room temperature said he would.
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Undecided voter to Democrats… “Why do you support genocide?” Democrats, “Listen here you fucking idiot. I hope you get cancer for questioning us. Do as we say you fascist! You ain’t black if you don’t vote for us.”
We did it Patrick! We saved Palestine!
Great fucking job, bothsiders. Now you get Genocide++.
I really hope you’re happy that your conscience is clean now the guy who’s main spokesman said Gaza’s ‘waterfront property could be very valuable’ and who himself declared it ‘could be better than Monaco’, clearly with an eye towards beachfront real estate, has the power to make that happen for his own gain.
This was entirely predictable, and we told you this would happen. Trump told you so himself. The dems weren’t perfect by any stretch, but Kamala absolutely wasn’t looking at the situation as to how she could personally profit through real estate development if the Palestinians were just wiped off the map as quickly as possible. Trump likely had the choicest property mapped out, with property developers already submitting proposals.
If you abstained because of both-sides re Israel, fuck you. You at best were played and at worst helped to play others, and now we ALL get to suffer.
The dems weren’t perfect by any stretch
Totally.
Enthusiastically helping Israel stack bodies for four years was definitely imperfect.
Of everything I said, that’s the part you decided to focus on?
e: not that trump had said he’d glass the region to build hotels?
I could not care less about what Trump says.
I heard Biden, for four years, wring his hands publicly and pretend to give a shit, all while giving WMD’s to Israel every single time they demanded it, in full knowledge they were bombing hospitals, schools and kids.
What I care about is what’s actually being done, and in the short-term, Trump’s actions are improving the situation. I’m sure his reasons for this are some form of self-enrichment, and I doubt that it will last, but that remains to be seen. Right now, things are better than they were a few weeks ago for the people in Gaza.
Biden allowed the genocide to continue literally to his last day in office, despite all the soaring speeches and public statements he made about peace.
You’re right! If both options are bad, then we SHOULD let the worse one win!
Hurray!
You don’t have any objective facts you can point to here to demonstrate that Trump is worse than Biden, and in the short-term, Trump is substantially better. The genocide continued literally up to the last day of Biden’s presidency.
That’s the point. Calling the Democrats ‘imperfect’ on Israel isn’t just wrong, it’s vulgarly and sickeningly euphemistic.
Great fucking job, bothsiders. Now you get Genocide++.
Sound like you still haven’t acknowledged the ongoing genocide or understand what is going on in gaza. There’s no such thing as genocide or genocide++ the same way there’s no holocaust or holocaust++. People who chose not to support any scum with blood on their hands have no guilt, they did the correct thing. Assuming you supported the red and blue parties you have more guilt than everyone else, you gave your vote to murderers. Instead of telling you to go fuck off like you did i’m going encourage you to document yourself on what’s going on in gaza and how governments worldwide are allowing it to happen.
What was Biden or Kamala gonna do better than this?
Not do this.
Full stop.
But they were doing this. They were supplying and defending a genocidal carpet bombing campaign for over a year.
All this finger wagging because people criticized democrats sending billions in weapons which were used in the genocide? Somehow it’s protestors fault in this scenario.
The degree to which you bend over backwards to support the legitimacy of a system where BOTH SIDES of the two-party system fully support israel is astonishing. You speak of others getting played, yet here you are getting played into thinking you can make a difference in a government that has fully supported israel since its establishment regardless of who is in power.
All this finger wagging because people
criticized democratsENABLED TRUMP TO FINISH THE GENOCIDECan you even read?
Believe it or not, democrats pausing a single shipment of weapons while letting all the billions of dollars worth of other weapons through didn’t disable israel from “FINISHING THE GENOCIDE”.
Genocide and Genocide++, if you admit those are the two major parties in the US then why do you blame people like me who voted third party?
Hamas is 150% an openly terrorist militia and you’ve genocide more than Biden could in his lifetime.
Do they have ieds strapped to children on your moral highground?
Because it’s an effective vote for Genocide++
so our options are genocide turd or genocide shit and it’s our fault? how about stop yelling online and do something about it irl
I have been for years.
And no the choice was status quo genocide enabler and fascist genocide promoter.
There’s a chance that Trump can terminally weaken the US. He can’t wage a war on the entire world. The Democrats were focused on destroying the Middle East. The Republicans are less focused and more chaotic.
And why can’t they wage war on the world? What are we gonna do about?
And seems Trump is laser focused on erasing Palestine and giving his donors everything they promised.
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There we go, you’re being HONEST!!!
YOU SACRAFICED PALESTINE FOR A CHANCE AT WEAKENING YOUR PERCEIVED ENEMY.
honestly you are the most vile type of cretin.
Oh, now this asshole is all for other countries taking in displaced migrants.
No, he doesn’t actually want any other countries to take them in. They should just leave their own country… He’d prefer that they simply walk into the Dead Sea so he doesn’t have to think about them anymore.
Yeah well see we talked to all the neighbors but they didn’t want them so unfortunately some of them may have gotten in the way when we bulldozed the site ready to lay the foundations for the new condos. /s
Democrats… “Palestinians should return to the rubble & sleep there like dogs! Otherwise, we can’t claim that Trump is the next Hitler!”
Oh no, he just wants them to leave, not to go to another country. They don’t live in reality.
Yeah, this is likely the truth; the guy can’t think two moves in advance on anything.
Read THE SHOCK DOCTRINE. It was always gonna be this.
He should give maralago to the Indian tribe that used to live there.
It’s like those fairy tales Zionists try to convince you about that every belief system should seek their own nation. It’s easy to come up with free land when you have zero value for the people living on it.
Where do you send illegal immigrants if their country of origin no longer exists?
