The person who wrote that letter is DONE dealing with sov cit shit. It’s the most pointed “stop wasting our time you fucking dick for brains” I’ve seen yet in response to people trying this.
Car dealerships have to be the number one hot spot for sovcit shenanigans, after family court. First thing these fuckers want when they think they have unlimited money is a free truck.
And the last thing the dealerships want is for people to get away with a free truck. So they’re going to come down on this shit hard.
This isn’t the same as a cop pulling them over because they don’t have a license plate and the cop lets them go because dealing with their shit is above his pay grade. This is their pay grade.
He sent in the cupon instead of the coupon. Rookie mistake. Now he’s on the hook for the entire loan amount.
Sovcit probably shouldn’t post your entire VIN on the Internet either
And full name, and zip code. Hell the account number probably isn’t a great idea either.
I didn’t even notice.
Great Scott, you twits. You don’t get free cars for choosing not to participate in society!
I’m told you get a free anaconda at hutton orbital
o7
They need to go on The Price is Right, like the rest of us.
If they don’t want to participate in society, the least they could do is go move out into a shack in the woods Unabomber style.
Maybe not bomb people Unabomber style though.
I Would even go with ‘probably don’t’
I didn’t want to step on anyone’s hopes and dreams.
But - and this is for our own sovcits - no free healthcare (or soon dental and then vision) for you! Choose to exit society and renege on your obligations and you get no benefits from it. Come into a hospital and you’re paying “vacationer rates” (because we have those and they’re smaller numbers but they’re like America).
“What’s the next best step?”
Find a lawyer.
Fucking pay your car note buddy or you’ll be on the bus telling them you don’t need to pay the fare and to just bill the trust.
Does this ever work? I just wonder what fuels this collective insanity. If it’s never worked before, is the goal to keep trying until it does and then constitutes legal precedent?
It has never worked, but there are people online pretending it has, which makes some people who aren’t very smart think maybe it’ll work for them, too.
I see a huge untapped business opportunity in selling “how to” courses and templates to sovcits
For fifty bucks I’ll tell you exactly how to make money scamming people.
“does that actually work”
“No it never does… But it might work for us”
-Arrested development
Millions of people are saddled with bills they can’t pay and an uncaring and complicated bureaucracy they struggle to navigate because of poor education, then they find a community of people claiming to have the solution to all of their problems. It doesn’t have to work, they just have to believe it does and they will rationalize away any sign that it doesn’t. The sovcit community gives them a feeling of autonomy and control they will not easily part with.
They’re very seldom a poverty problem. I never post the ones who are just trying to desperately find a solution. The ones I post are all hardcore anti government lunatics who want to get everything for free.
As I said above, poor education has nothing to do with it.
Jerry Kane gave business seminars.
Gavin Eugene Long was a data network specialist in the U.S. military.
Those are just the most visible people due to their wealth and influence. For every rich sovcit there are probably a thousand in abject poverty. They live in rural areas, usually in mobile homes, and fly Gadsden flags. I’ve known several. Try working for an ISP as an installer or repairman and some might even take a few shots at you.
Aside from the Bundys, which are not there, those are all the biggest SovCit criminals cases, so it’s weird that you are just dismissing them like that.
And I wouldn’t say a dentist or a military IT guy had wealth or influence.
The majority of sovcits aren’t getting into shootouts with police, those are extreme examples. Most of them are just people trying to get out of paying debt.
Someone recently said something to me about needing to show hard data. Trying to remember who that was…
If only I could remember who that was…
Sovcits are almost certainly under studied, but if I took enough time I’m sure I could find some research showing that less educated people are more likely to fall for scams.
Be right back…
Edit: Here you go
They’re stupid and their in-group are also mostly idiots.
Facebook and other platforms are partly culpable because they could stamp this out to prevent it was spreading, but they don’t care.
No response means the magic gibberish has worked, and rejection means that they move on to the next step of paper terrorism. When they wind up in court they further dig in. It’s peak “us vs them” mindset.
Nice. Those never fail to cheer me up :)
They’re honestly hilarious.
Novation lol
I hope they tear him a new one
I see this mentioned (in poor spelling every time) but what is this…coupon? It seems like they send it for everything as if it was a check to pay things.
You know with recurring bills like mortgage and car loans how they send you a little booklet with all your info so you can just drop that in the envelope too rather than write down all your info and possibly fuck things up? What would you say if I told you that you could write some magic words on it and turn it into a check that will draw on your estate with $2 million the government sets up for everyone? Well the guy featured in this post thought it was fucking genius.
No I understand what they think it does but what’s the actual like object they send? Do they just write their Magic Text on those pieces of paper, and mail it off or is there like a Magic Coupon they print off?
Magic words on the paper itself.
? There are people in the world who pay their mortgage with a paper check? In this century?
People still pay with checks at grocery stores lol
Can confirm. Every now and then one my cashiers will call me over and be like “this old woman handed a signed piece of paper instead of money?”
It’s also funny to show them the ol’ shotgun credit card imprinter “you put the card there and the paper here kachunk and in a few weeks wed find out if they actually had the money at all!”
How the hell did that system work for soo long lol
My work calls them knuckle busters. They suck.
They think everyone has anywhere from hundreds of thousands to tens of millions of dollars in secret bank accounts created by the treasury that they can access with the right paperwork.
I know what they want to happen but I’ve just never seen the physical Magic Coupon they say they use
A magician never reveals his secrets
https://vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov/decoder/Decoder is a fun tool to mess with…
Example information to use VIN# 2C4RDGEG5JR285229 Year 2018
Manufacturer: FCA CANADA INC.
DBAs:
Vehicle Type: MULTIPURPOSE PASSENGER VEHICLE (MPV)
Model Year: 2018
Make: DODGE
Model: Grand Caravan
Body Class: MinivanI kind of want a search engine to index this page so the next owner can see how fucking batshit crazy the previous owner of the car was.
Edit: Unjacked the formatting
I’m on mobile and unable to zoom in on the picture. How much personal info is readable through the cover letter?
Well, not even through the cover letter, the vin is entirely visible in the printed cover. That’s probably not great. I know anyone’s vin is totally visible in public walking by just like license plates, but it’s another thing to post it online for everyone to see.
the public vin wont be a problem for this guy much longer
The focus this community has on sovcits strikes me as mean-spirited and cruel. These are mostly poorly educated or mentally handicapped people with major financial issues who are being scammed by people offering false solutions to their problems.
They’re honestly not that at all, a very few are whom I never post, but most of them are really obnoxious far right grifters who got this idea from Qanon and the like and are doing it because they want to stick it to the government that they hate and get what they can for free. They’re actually super nasty people.
These are mostly poorly educated or mentally handicapped people
Nonsense.
In fact, grifters will tell you that educated people are much easier to grift because they think they’re too smart to be scammed.
There’s a reason why Jack Abramoff was able to con so many rich people out of their money and why smart people end up in cults.
Even smart people who aren’t in cults can believe very silly things, as silly as what SovCits believe. Linus Pauling thinks vitamin C is a panacea. Ray Kurzweil thinks he’ll be able to upload his brain to a computer in 10 years and has thought so since the 1990s. Bobby Fischer thinks Jews control the world.
Ray Kurzweil thinks he’ll be able to upload his brain to a computer in 10 years and has thought so since the 1990s.
Kurzweil fervently wishes he’ll be able to do this; existential angst drives many people, uneducated or not, to all sorts of religions. At least Kurtzweil is making educated guesses based on technological progress - wrong guesses, but still within the realm of reasonable.
There’s no mysticism to the singularity. There’s nothing preventing what he hopes for except engineering sophistication. We know most of the what, and maybe even a good chunk of the how, and we’re making progress. Nothing in the idea of brain uploading depends on an ineffable spirit, or anything we can’t already prove.
If we don’t destroy ourselves or the planet, there’s no reason we won’t get there eventually. Just not soon enough for Ray or his loved ones, and probably not in time for anyone currently alive. It’s not likely we’ll never achieve it simply because we burn up the planet first, and run out of resources to continue frivolous research like immortality.
I wouldn’t say there’s no mysticism in the singularity, at least not in the sense you’re implying here. While it uses secular and scientific aesthetics rather than being overtly religious the roadmap it presents relies on specific assumptions about the nature of consciousness, intelligence, and identity that may sound plausible but aren’t really more rational than having an immortal soul that gets judged at the end of days.
And it doesn’t help that when confronted by any kind of questioning of how plausible any of this is there’s a tendency to assume a sufficiently powerful AI can solve the problem and assume that’s the end of it. It’s not less of a Deus ex Machina if you call it an AI instead of a God to focus on the Machina instead of the Deus.
While it uses secular and scientific aesthetics rather than being overtly religious the roadmap it presents relies on specific assumptions about the nature of consciousness, intelligence, and identity that may sound plausible but aren’t really more rational than having an immortal soul that gets judged at the end of days.
Do we have any scientific evidence that consciousness, intelligence, and identity reside anywhere else than the brain? People who lose all of their limbs don’t become more stupid. People who get artificial hearts don’t become soulless automotons. Certainly, the brain needs chemicals and hormones produced elsewhere in the body, but we successfully artificially produce these chemicals for people in whom the natural production is faulty all the time; it’s only a matter of scale.
We’re certainly far from a complete understanding of the brain, but we’re not that far. There are no great unknowns.
there’s a tendency to assume a sufficiently powerful AI can solve the problem and assume that’s the end of it.
I think that’s entirely reasonable. We’re limited by our biology; perhaps we’ll find a limit to our technology that puts an upper limit on AI growth, but we haven’t observed that horizon yet. It’s no more irrational to assume there’s a limit, than to assume that the limit is so low we can’t get super-intelligent general AI before we hit it.
I realize it’s not mysticism. But it is believing something silly considering he’s been saying it’s just around the corner for decades now.
Sure, maybe one day it will happen. But it’s like space colonies or everyone using flying cars. It’s always going to happen in the near future.
Sure; I’m not saying you’re wrong. Ray is unrealistically optimistic, and his predictions are heavily dependent on several iffy factors: that we’ll create GAI; that it’ll be able to exponentially improve itself; that it’ll be benevolent; and that it’ll see value in helping us obtain immortality, and decide that this is good for us.
I just don’t think it’s fair to lump him in with SovCits and homeopaths (or whatever Linus Pauling is). He’s a different kind of “wrong”; not crazy or deluded, just optimistic.
Just because you can find examples of educated people falling for grifts doesn’t mean most people who fall for grifts are educated. Frankly, it’s absurd and completely counterintuitive. You would have to show me some hard data to prove that correlation.
I gave you multiple examples of the most prominent sovcit cases elsewhere.
Examples are anecdotes.
Examples are anecdotes.
You mean like “I’ve known several” except with actual names and details?
But I am really amused that you are demanding data when you never provided any for your initial claim or any subsequent claims.
Physician, heal thyself.
Yes, we’re both making claims and using anecdotes to support them and it seems neither of us will move from our positions without stronger evidence. Your claim that most sovcits are either wealthy or educated seems absurd to me, so in a data-poor environment I’m sticking with the simpler of the two options. I’m open to changing my mind, but not with only anecdotes. If you could make a logical case for why sovcits would be mostly educated or wealthy then that could be enough, given neither of us have hard data to give.
