KEVIN ROBERTS (HERITAGE FOUNDATION PRESIDENT): In spite of all this nonsense from the left, we are going to win. We’re in the process of taking this country back. No one in the audience should be despairing.
No one should be discouraged. We ought to be really encouraged by what happened yesterday. And in spite of all of the injustice, which, of course, friends and audience of this show, of our friend Steve know, we are going to prevail.
Number two, to the point of the clips and, of course, your preview of the fact that I am an early American historian and love the Constitution. That Supreme Court ruling yesterday on immunity is vital, and it’s vital for a lot of reasons. But I would go to Federalist No. 70.
The Heritage Foundation is a terrorist organization and an existential threat to the United States that must be destroyed.
I think it’s time we recognized the threat to democracy that think tanks and political non profits pose.
Robert Evans did a two parter of Behind the Bastards on this exact topic. I think they were titled, How Conservatism Won
Yupp, love that pod cast.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4w0lx3QNiuuek1SHmKQ0Tc?si=eB7CG99mQ-i3TUKkcd98Fg
there is a limit at what can be done about their activities until we stop commingling personal rights/freedoms with that of a “legal” person
It would require an act of congress and it won’t happen.
They are people when they shill for their owners but they are legal entity when tax man comes.
Agreed. I wish Biden would announce they are all being arrested and tried for treason. Same for the cons on the “supreme” court.
In Guantanamo
There are fire worse blacksites than Gitmo, cant name any of em cause they are blacksites.
For context: The Heritage Foundation is responsible for “Project 2025.”
-Good liberals with infinite patience and calm rationality turned me from conservative, and kinda shitty guy, to centrist with empathy for others.
-Maga turned me from centrist to reliably liberal (vote for each person down ballot based on scrutiny of their merits instead of affiliation…but heavily blue leaning, unless the Dem was a knob or had a bad plan)
-P2025 turned me into VoteBlueNoMatterWho for every candidate for every election from local to president.
Brother, I don’t know how your day is going. I don’t know how you feel about your past self. I do know that this comment of yours made me tear up. It’s easy for me to vote blue. It was harder for you to decide, and I appreciate your effort. Thank you for being my neighbor.
I asssume both of us realize ‘vote blue no matter who’ won’t be enough. The DNC doesn’t exist as a bulwark against fascism. It’s only function is to operate as a hand of corporate interest. Currently the DNC is used as a way to corner us to the edge of a cliff so they can clip off the weak ones then drive the rest off the ledge.
If there was a way out, right now, it would be straight through. Except corpo rightly expect that you will cling to your way of life until the very end. Maybe if, when we were younger, they told us, “Some day you will have to make a choice. Chose to cling to your material possessions or to cling to each other. One will directly effect the other. Prepare yourself everyday until that point.”
Even then, we know now 30% for sure aren’t giving up their “stuff” no matter what. The rest. We will see I suppose.
Yes, we know. What are you changing about that in the next few weeks?
Oh, I don’t discourage people from voting biden. Go ahead and vote. I honestly believe there is nothing left to say about the election or there wasn’t the moment we knew Trump was the nominee.
Everyone go vote. Please. You’d be stupid not to.
Will you vote for him?
I’ll vote biden all day every day. I’ll vote biden today tomorrow and the next. Look around you. Pay attention. Any one who can see what I see would do the same.
That last part is where we disagree. I’ve talked to people that aren’t going to. They exist.
I think most informed people understand that voting for Biden isn’t the cure-all. We are a car without breaks careening down a cliff side, winding, pothole-filled road slick with a fresh spill from a septic truck and we are faced with turning one direction and driving off the cliff or turning the other and staying on the rough road knowing there is at least a chance of it clearing up and hopefully offering some better intersections ahead. At least Joe’s team is trying to hose off the sewage and is willing to hear you out about the asphalt-guy you know that can handle the job. The other guy’s side has Ivan’s Forestry Specialists on speed dial and just needs the cash advance to pay him, then he will totally be here any day to fix the roads cause he totally does that too. Also he is a pilot, so you should totally trust him that he can land the car if you go off the cliff…there sure are some nice roads down there at the bottom. Biden, or even Democrats won’t fix everything. They will be conservative-lite, but the other option in our flawed system is conservative-FOREVER. The problem with your “we must all give up everything and probably go homeless to protest and rebel” is the prisoner’s dilemma. We all go in 100% or we lose… permanently. Those of us not dead set on going all-in, because we know others won’t (not even debatable), want to maintain the status quo as the only good option, so we can at least fix the “we lose… permanently” part.
Or maybe I am an idiot and haven’t eaten today. Those are my 3¢(inflation).
you guys are going to have to vote like your lives depends on it, coz it probably does. at what point does this become civil war? it feels like you guys are in a death spiral, and the only way out of it is to literally take out the other side. honestly if the rest of the world has to come over there and bash your heads together we’ll be properly pissed good luck We’re all going to need Trump to lose signed, The World
Please send help. Please. Help us rest of world, you’re our only hope.
Yeah right.
The only super power in the world “in need of external help.”
We dug ourselves into this hellhole, we must get ourselves out of it
Yeah no. No one is going to intervene on your private continent where there’s three guns per person. And unless those countries fancy getting friendlier with China, they’ll just hold their noses when they deal with Trump. Like they did 2016 to 2020.
You’ve got the means already; get your guns, beans, and gasoline. And if you care about American democracy, and these chuckle-fucks try to kill it, then you’re going to have to fight for it
Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, but good luck.
The more infighting the US has, the less resources they have to bomb brown people. So go at it!
They allowed their governments to get away with way too much shit, time to pay up.
That is a likeable conclusion for us non-western people, but eventually these white christian nationalist supremacists will openly wage crusade instead of still pretending not doing it. Breather from American bombs and militant group funding would definitely be welcome, but gotta make the best with that time before their focus turns outwards once again. If it comes to that in the first place, of course.
Yeah, you kinda gotta think about it…if the US falls, it won’t fail and die, it will become evil. What side do you want them to be on in this next big war brewing? The world wars with the US on the other side seems rough for every good and decent person. Hell, Ukraine would be in a bad spot if the US was actively fighting along side the orks…well, Ukraine would be West-russia already, and that isn’t even intending to speak ill of the Ukrainian heroes, it is just a shitty hypothetical reality. The US a big greedy resource vacuum that lets their corporations push them to meddle in world affairs, but they are also the insane PTSD soldier turned cop of the classroom keeping the other bully kids in line. It is a weird place to be, but the US feels like a floodgate that is tolerated, because without it, we have real bad things in the waters it holds back. So frustrating.
I’m not holding my breath for a change in the hegemony over the world towards Russia or China to be any better. I’m not pretending that an 80 year U.S. imperialism has been anything tolerable, either. This is unlike the Biden vs Trump situation, too. When the alluded damage reduction has been the primary damage creation source with such an intensity to create whole regions and families of militant and/or terrorist organizations directly and uncontrollably terrorizing common people, one might wonder if a monolithical state apparatus can be tried as an option for the common folk than a democracy for the privileged.
In before “tankie” screamed at me, check the start of the paragraph again. All I’m saying is that the PTSD soldier turned cop in your analogue may be keeping the other bullies in line, but is also leading to the creation of more bullies all the while doing the bullying themselves. It is not a floodgate, either. It is another obstacle in the lava of evil that causes the lava to flow from a different channel, not leading to any more further than the other channels while putting a blockade on them.
We’ll get “help” after we lose WWIII and West America is controlled by China and East America is controlled by the EU.
“We’ve tried nothing all we’re all out of ideas!”
…in the process of taking this country backWARDS.
I despair. Fuck him and all of them.
At some point in time people are going to be killed.
Are going to, you say?
Already happened, friend.
Or did you forget what a shitshow Trump’s first term was?
People literally died because of him.
This would be more widespread and far worse.
Conservatives have poisoned the soapbox with propaganda and outright lies.
They’ve diluted the ballot box with electoral politics and various tactics of disenfranchisement.
They’ve completely corrupted the jury box with unqualified ideologues.
How does America survive this without resorting to the last box? All because a group of assholes who have more than they could ever need want even more than that.
We are down to the cartridge box.
Like, you gotta think outside the box…maaaan. 🚬
Outside the main boxes is the claymore box.
People literally died because of him.
More to come, many more.
Lists, camps, public execution, rival assassinations, and firing squads, haven’t even started.
It’s not as if the right wing goons haven’t been killing the decent people already.
We are in the process of becoming a shit-hole nation.
Biden should do an official act at the Heritage Foundation.
“I did that”
DROOOOOONEEEEE STRIIIIKEEE…there is precedent for Official use of drones against terrorists in the past!
The military swears allegiance to the Constitution, to protect and defend the country from BOTH foreign AND domestic threats. Well the domestic threat is pretty apparent.
at least we know who’s on the side of the redcoats …
Celebrating a king, they are the red coats
The red hats
Land of the free no more if you ain’t a straight white christian creationist cis man.
I weep for you great America.
+landowner
Ironically, people fleeing persecution of the Anglican religion in England and wanting to worship God in their own way (still Puritan though) was basically the number one thing that gave America its start, and therefore formed the strongest core of its identity. You hear more about the “go west young man” type of independence loving peoples, bc it is more recent and there are TV shows depicting it made with less time intervening between its end and their construction - i.e. cowboy westerns. Shows that depict the former are much more rare though, e.g. Salem.
Until recently, the vast majority of Americans considered themselves Christian, at least in theory - like, even if they almost never went to church. And the stories we tell are full of Judeo-Christian themes of fairness and virtue and living “rightly”, like King Arthurian myths (as opposed to e.g. cunning and craftiness uplifted in other parts of the world, e.g. Aladdin or most Russian tales).
But the key is: who stands between you and God? Nobody? (=freedom) Or some old, rich, landowning white man? “Nobody” implies a terrible burden of personal responsibility, somewhat akin to running your own Linux server and even having installed Arch btw (at least once sometime, for the experience if not a daily driver), whereas “big daddy corpo-king takes care of you” seems to be the philosophy that rules the current day:-(.
Translation: we gave up our freedom for the sake of convenience. And now we are all too weak pushovers to be able to stand up to what’s coming next. Oh well, Rome fell too - it’s not like we were going to exist forever.
great but sad summary.
But the Roman Empire lasted around 1000 years, and we haven’t even hit 250 yet.
We are doing a speed run:-P.
Also, Rome did not have the stock market. That has to have shaved off at least 100 years right there.
Tbf, Rome actually ended, whereas for the USA we might not “end” so much as convert from a democracy into a dictator with an emperor at the top. Now, why does that sound familiar all of a sudden…?
You know if there were ever a group of people that deserved to fully understand what it means to be firebombed it’s the fucking heritage foundation.
The federalist society is right there with them.
Don’t forget the John Birch society
Id also add PragerU to that list, though thats mostly cause they are dangerous and annoying.
They for sure belong but I think they are mostly powered by the other think tanks mentioned
Its an incestuous relationship between them, they feed into eachother. If it wasnt for PragerU and similar propagandistic groups the upper think tanks would be a lot weaker in influence, then once they have more power they immediately dump it into the propagandists who can spread their influence farther
Im personally in the if you wipe out the propaganda arms ya will have an infinitely easier time, Fox, OAN, PragerU, and talk radio as a whole not to mention Youtubers are basically the only thing maintaining the on the ground elements of the Right wing. They fet bored easily and would probably just do boring normal crap if you stripped away the propaganda, hell they may get happier in some cases a car parts store in my area changed out fox news on the TV in favor of a super playlist of youtube videos going over old weird cars like Yugos and Polskis. This has limited the rightwing grousing in there.
100% agree with you, only contention I would make is that none of those propaganda outlets would exist without the societies that preceded them by a few decades. But from a dismantling their power perspective you are quite on point about destroying their implements of radicalization
Yeah I dont care about the predecessor groups since in most ways the gsme has changed since then. Theyre still dangerous but well its easier to fight a bobcat after youve dealt with the mountain lion.
Cot damn bro… a bit extreme, no?
Not in the slightest.
They and the federalist society are the ones pushing the absolutely disgusting changes the Republican party is trying to make. They give the “short list” of judges for Republicans presidents to choose from. They are fully responsible for the shit we’re about to go through now that their project is almost complete.
Everything that’s been tried up to the extreme has had no effect, so, it’s time to escalate. You can’t beat cheaters and liars and thieves and murderers by playing by the rules and being nice and polite. If the Democrats don’t do something, democracy is gone in November and it won’t be coming back to the USA.
Do high crimes demand extreme punishments?
Treason? Yeah on an individual basis. Home boy here and his upvoters supports firebombing humans. Imagine saying the same chit about AIPAC or the ADL? lol smh.
Anyway, if you guys want to support literal acts of terrorism, good luck on your future prospects.
I hear ya, but we also know the window for legally resolving this constitutional crisis is quickly closing. So I take this talk as sort of, “this is where we are heading if things don’t change”. I don’t support the coming of these times, but I do want to highlight the urgency. We do not want a version of “The Troubles” like the Irish did.
You got downvoted for this? Damn, Lemmy, you never fail to disappoint me.
Bro, this is a weird place. I was just commenting about how Google sucks for searching up solutions to technical issues I come across at work, so I utilize AI. People got hostile and my comments deleted. I can’t wrap my head around some of the communities.
The echo chamber here can be a bit too strong, just like Reddit. I wish Lemmy would stop mass downvoting simple questions, even if they disagree with it.
Did your parents make it through the closed borders while that happened?
My grandparents came to the U.S. and became citizens through the legal route.
You do realize when people say, “close the border”, the message is to literally close off the U.S. border with a wall. There’s nothing wrong with immigrants coming to this country through the legal channels.
They’re Christofascist Nazis. They need to be dissolved. Either in an alkaline or acidic solution, whichever is cheapest.
Nationalist Christians…Nat-Cs, if you will.
Please remember to upvote if you want the message to be spread - downvoting just bc you don’t like the content will have the opposite effect. This fascist’s words and deeds should be seen by all, yes?
Upvotes are for visibility.
Exactly. But when I said that, it was equally up vs. downvotes and that kind of rocky start can kill a post’s visibility in Hot. Now there’s 10x more up than down so it seems past that hurdle, but even so I figured it would be a good reminder overall.
I use my votes for worthwhile content. Not for opinion or matters of taste.
Yup, that’s exactly how I think they should be used as well.
How do you select the worthwhile content without the use of your opinion or taking the matter to your tastes?
There’s always some degree of opinion yes, but that simply means an opinion on whether the content is constructive rather than if it makes me happy. I don’t have to agree with the claims presented or the position of the author. We can still disagree on what constructive means.
How come the people who say they need automatic weapons to defend themselves from their government at the same time cheer for giving their government absolute power?
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Most people dreaming of conflict do.
Not me, I just have ADHD and seek conflicts to not get bored.
They also don’t understand how important drones are going to be.
god I hate conservatives. These people are pure evil
I finally understand what ‘make America great again’ means. The America they are trying to return us to is the one where we had a king.
These people are terrorists
Non-state actors who use violence or the threat of violence to achieve political aims.
Yup, checks all the boxes.
I’d say that’s slightly off. Most terrorists have no intention of actually ruling the regions they terrorize.
These people are more fascists.
Fair
Subby should have included the whole quote that Media Matters truncated.
“We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”
Translation, let us turn this country into the Republic of Gilead or we will kill you.
This is the same logic Nazis used. The narrative was that Jews forced their hand by refusing to comply with their demands.
Make no mistake, this is a promise of bloodshed. They just want to sound like they want peace and that they’ll have to kill to get it.
Kill them first.
