They have investigated him before and only came up with stuff his son Hunter did. Turns out you have to commit crimes to get imprisoned.
Trump did. And if he gets imprisoned on July 11th, I guarantee you the American people will stand for it.
Many of us will cheer for it.
Many will cry “martyr”, too. Which is depressing.
Many people are dumb.
He already told Hillary to her face he was going to prosecute her and send her to prison. Then when he was in office he backed down immediately.
Let’s not gloss over something important, Trump did try to get Hillary locked up. He had his justice department investigate her and the Clinton foundation both. They couldn’t find evidence of crimes, so Hillary remains free.
Where Trump backed down was not going extra-judicial. But let’s not let him off the hook, he tried, he’s a despot.
He also hadn’t replaced the entire Justice department with MAGA lackeys like he did the Supreme Court and federal court system.
And his cronies are still harping on it. There are people in positions of power, with money and influence, who are still trying to do everything to put Fuckface 45’s “enemies” away.
The coup marches on.
Heres a video of him saying “that plays great before the election. Now we don’t care”
Sorry for the Facebook link!
Yes, but he’s vindictive, and Hillary was more of an obstacle than a threat.
Trump appointed 226 judges in just his first term. The only President in history to have appointed more in one term was Carter with 262. The most appointed in two terms was Reagan with 383. Trump is well over half way there.
With increased likelihood of getting one of his appointed judges, and conservative control of SCOTUS, this is a viable threat.
”I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of America, Joe Biden, and go after the Biden crime family,” Trump said in June at his Bedminster, New Jersey, residence, just hours after being arraigned at a federal courthouse in Miami on charges related to his handling of classified documents after he left the White House.
But Trump credited himself for not going after Clinton, compared to what is now being done to him.
“Some people said I should have done it, but, you know, could have, would have been very easy to do it, but I thought it would be a terrible precedent for our country,” Trump said. “And now, whoever it may be, you’re going to have to view it very much differently. This is a bad, bad road that they’re leading us down to as a country."
He won’t do it cause if he wins, Biden won’t be a threat. It would be a waste of time and energy for something nobody would actually care about at that point.
Yeah but you’re forgetting that Biden beat him. That fact alone changes the equation massively I think. Trump will delight in pushing Biden into the mud face down.
Because that’s what you do for each other when you’re in the same club
trump has spent his entire life trying to buy his way into the club. But he couldn’t.
He was able to donate enough to Dems to get Bill and Hillary to his wedding.
But you can tell he legitimately thought if he did the “no time to divide the country” in 2020, that he’d get the same treatment.
That’s why he’s going so hard on “this isn’t fair”.
He didn’t actually try to press charges on Hillary for her crimes (yes, they were a minor felony and misdemeanors, but still crimes). So he doesn’t understand why he’s got trials for his crimes (obviously they’re much bigger crimes)
trump thought being a president finally got him into the club, it’s probably the only reason he wanted to be president.
Since it didn’t work, he’s not going to drum up charges on everyone he disagrees with.
Which is why it makes zero sense Biden keeps pissing off his own voters. You’d think he’d be motivated to win when Trump will try to throw him and his whole family in jail.
But Biden won’t stop denying genocide and making republican moves at the border, both of which violate laws and human rights.
He’s got more to lose than anyone this election, and he refuses to act like it for some reason
God doesn’t this pathetic bOtH sIdEs schtick ever get as tiring to spout as it is to read?
But you see.
He has a new trick.
Each sentence is a paragraph.
Makes it profound huh.
Fair enough! I stand corrected
Fair enough!
I stand corrected
FTFY
Bad, Bad haiku bot! lol
Is there a haiku bot on lemmy?
it makes it a Beat Poem.
A post that had nothing to do with Biden, and yet you still bring him up.
Is this meant to make me… Givesomefucks about Trump?
Because it doesn’t. He’s a blatant criminal. He deserves everything they throw at him.
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God the mental gymnastics are insane to keep up this bOtHsiDeSSaMe.
It becomes much simpler if you stop questioning it.
Both these dipshits are well past their prime they have nothing to loose. Anything bad that happens for long term from any decision they well not be around for.
I mean why are gyiatrics the only people willing to run for government in the States?
There’s no realistic alternative to voting for Biden.
It’s either; make sure Trump loses, or watch the USA and the bulwark of democracy it represents around the world be destroyed.
(Edit: sorry for the rant)
I think most of the ‘low information voters’ (this actually means ‘low intelligence’ but people are afraid to say that) who think Trump is ‘as good or better than the other guy’ are utterly deluded. Their basic lack of intelligence and education has shown this to be the case anyway.
There is absolutely no excuse for voting for Trump unless you are utterly fucked in the head, or so cynical that you think you might make some Pugh money to survive once the US government implodes.
There is absolutely no excuse for voting for Trump unless you are utterly fucked in the head, or so cynical that you think you might make some Pugh money to survive once the US government implodes.
Some people just want to watch the world burn.
Disclaimer: I’m not American.
or watch the USA and the bulwark of democracy it represents around the world
Are you guys going to tell him?
[…] or watch the USA and the bulwark of democracy it represents around the world be destroyed.
Ok…but I’m watching that occur right now under Biden anyway. Like, dems desperately need to stop moving to the right, the distinction that you’re trying to draw is becoming less and less meaningful with every lesser of two evils elected.
We need a party that allows fighters to lead the way, not fascists and corporate lapdogs. The party politics need to change yesterday, it’s difficult for many voters to see that happening if neoliberalism isn’t kicked to the curb.
Biden is not, as a matter of fact, pushing the Dens rightwards. He is however being forced to make decisions against his nature purely through the machinations of the GOP and their puppet masters. Oh and don’t forget the Zionist lobby who are effectively the Nazis reborn into their victim’s skin.
The US does not represent democracy. And it is ever more clear it is not a democracy, but rather the illusion of one controlled by oligarchs and private interests. There is merely an illusion of choice.
Ok. And…?
I actually lo-key kinda agree with you, and think it’s ripe for all manner of improvements, but it’s still the best we have.
Other than all the places with more functional democracies.
What America is a mediocre democracy with a shitload of money and a relatively large population, and that is what matters. There simply is no other singular nation that could stop, for example, China from conquering Japan.
There are alliances that could, but the overreliance on American power has created an absolutely devastating implementation if America turns outright fascist itself, not even getting into what it means if the two largest nuclear nations become expansionist allies.
The US is indeed a mediocre democracy because of the corruptIon of the system that money has enabled.
There are too many business loopholes and carve-outs to realise a fair society.
That corruption exists in most western democracies. The problem is the dogmatic worship for a 200+ years constitution. Temporary fixes won’t do. You guys need to come together and write a NEW modern and functional constitution.
Fuckin tell me about it.
You have the choice not to vote for literally hitler, mate.
In a one-party dictatorship you also get the option to vote or not vote in the single candidate.
You guys really should wake up from that dream…
Keep going strong. You are not yet in a dictatorship but you will soon be. Good job, and vote Cthulhu, don’t choose the lesser evil.
Okay Ivan.
It is a totalitarian capitalist democratic republic.
What would you call people who won’t vote for Trump but refuse to vote for Biden too because Gaza?
Edit: To be clear I agree with all the replies here
“people who want Trump to be president”
People who are going to get Trump elected.
This.
I wonder what outcomes for Gaza such people think a Trump presidency would result in
Well, same thing happens with Gaza, but also Ukraine loses. So take that, Biden.
Morons. Trump would be worse for Gaza and it’s not like he’s pretending otherwise.
But there are other choices than trump and biden!!1!! You can totally not support trump while not voting for biden!!
No you can’t, you morons. It’s one or the other.
Dulional? Idiots? Take your pick.
Idiots
I’m not sure. Perhaps too driven by single-issue foreign policy to understand the wonder ramifications of potentially allowing Trump to win.
The thing they need to understand is that right now a vote for Biden is not a mandate for HIM or necessarily all of the policies that he is forced to carry out (and I mean forced by both GOP shenanigans (immigration stuff) and global strategic positions (Israel)) its a vote to stop the US being turned (even further) into a right wing shithole.
But I never said lock her up
He said “Locker, up”
Buttery males
Mmm. Butter.
Boo urns! Boo urns!!!
Works on contingency? No, money down!
Bigly
It’s just locker-up talk.
The thing I hate the most is that apparently we all have to just watch this slow-walk into fascism. We all watched him try to steal an election. We all saw him foment an insurrection. Everyone who has any sense knows full well what the kind of people he surrounds himself with are capable of, and what they want to do to so many people in this country if given a chance.
And yet: almost no one really addresses this head-on and speaks in very clear terms about what the stakes are. Instead, I hear total bullshit like #BidenSoOld and #gEnoCiDejOe <- Do the clowns that keep going on about that seriously not realize that a donnie “presidency” might result in all kinds of blood being spilled within our borders?
Yeah, that’s what frustrates me. There are legitimate concerns around Biden as president. However, every single one of those concerns also applies to Trump, as well as a million more much worse concerns
Exactly. Biden’s foreign policy - like just about every other politician, with very few exceptions - is going to be problematic on at least several key points. Anyone paying the least bit attention and not smitten by the “Washington consensus” already knows this.
But with Republicans in charge and donnie leading them - in addition to an even worse foreign policy, the domestic policy could be so much worse and this time around, there will be less guardrails, and no guarantee that we have any elections past 2024. It’s clear donnie would rather it all burn down than he face even the least bit of consequences for anything he’s done.
I just want a presidential candidate to outright say during their announcement for candidacy, “fuck Israel”.
Like on one of those late night shows, whatever. Make it poignant, make it clear, and obvious. Just because I wanna see how it goes.
I honestly have no idea how much of the voting public actually thinks that way about biden though.
There’s a dozen accounts or so here on lemmy who are just relentless with those lines of rhetoric. They do a good job of making it seem like everyone thinks that way.
They do a good job of making it seem like everyone thinks that way.
From St. Petersburg
So, you know, it’s a terrible, terrible path that they’re leading us to, and it’s very possible that it’s going to have to happen to them,
Sooo… Biden is going to be found guilty of fraudulently mistepresenting the transactions that time he paid hush money to a porn star?
If this can happen to Convicted Felon and Sex Offender Treason Trump, then it can happen to anybody who pays hush money to a porn star while running for president!!!
it can happen to anybody
who payscommitted fraud to pay hush money to a porn star while running for president!!!FTFY
We both forgot the part about getting spanked with a magazine. I feel that’s critically important.
You guys also forgot he cheating his wife while running with the party of jeesus, but he made so much shit i can’t blame you for not remembering it all
This is what I don’t understand about establishment dems playing chicken with our Democracy, their neck is on the line too.
I really don’t understand why they think making a show of being Republican Lite is ever going to start working. If someone wants a fascist they’re just going to vote for a full-on fascist, not a half-fascist.
If we’re gonna speak of possibles, its equally possible that fat orange oligarch wannabe will keel over dead before he can take any kind of political actions
You’d like to believe that, but Rupert Murdoch, that living incarnation of a bloody hemmorhoid, just got married at age 93.
Only the good die young.
Just have to watch n see and hope
Kissinger lived to be like 100. This motherfucker is gonna be around another 20 years. Spite and hate make you age horridly but you somehow survive off of it way longer than anyone expects.
You become like Palpatine or Gollum or some shit man
It’s always the best that goes first, so he’s going to outlast everyone of us.
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It’s very possible that Trump is Musks brain chips patient zero. Or it’s very possible Trumps medical attendant is a quackster.
No… u!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Fresh off last week’s historic guilty verdict, former President Donald Trump had a warning for his political opponents on Tuesday.
“I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of America, Joe Biden, and go after the Biden crime family,” Trump said in June at his Bedminster, New Jersey, residence, just hours after being arraigned at a federal courthouse in Miami on charges related to his handling of classified documents after he left the White House.
He also suggested there would be a “breaking point” for the public if he ends up serving jail time or imprisoned on house arrest after being found guilty in his hush money trial.
On Thursday, a New York jury found Trump guilty on all 34 felony counts in his hush money case, related to covering up payments to an adult film star in order to help 2016 campaign.
Judge Juan Merchan, who oversaw the hush money case, placed a gag order on Trump barring him from talking about jurors, potential witnesses and individual prosecutors that he has not lifted since the trial ended.
In January, after he continued to deny Carroll’s claims and attack her publicly, he was ordered to pay her an additional $83 million for defamation.
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Typical repuglican projection
I see you made a portmaneau of republican and repugnant
Yep. Thats what they are
trumps always wanted to be “in the club” that’s all he’s always wanted.
It why he donated so much to Democrats that Bill and Hillary felt obligated to attend one of his weddings.
He thought not pressing charges would get him “in the club” because the next president always pardons others because “consequences would divide the nation” or some other such bullshit.
He legit thought that would quid pro quo him into not facing any charges too.
If he gets office again, he’s going after everyone who disagrees with him.
Which is why Dems need to either run a better candidate, or get Biden to stop fucking around and start listening to his voters.
It’s too risky to keep using trump as an excuse to shove conservative Dems down America’s throats.
We need to run a good campaign this time, with a good candidate.
We need to run a good campaign this time, with a good candidate.
This time? You have some strange belief that the two people running for president this time hasn’t been decided.
He wanted to get in good with the Manhattan elites. He was given a golden opportunity to impress them, and threw it away because he’s a stupid, arrogant, greedy idiot.
Yep, most of what trump has wanted is just to be accepted by “the cool kids”.
It’s just he’s a total jackass, so even though they’d take his money, and the Clinton’s showed up at his wedding…
He’s never getting in the club.
Not sure why everyone downvoted me and upvoted you when we said the same thing though
They are probably downvoting you because you’ve got a silly idea that Biden isn’t listening to his voters.
For some reason, many people on the Left seem to think that we are a massive majority. We aren’t.
Trump got almost half the votes in 2016. He’s still polling well today.
You don’t live in a country that has a strong Left majority.
you’ve got a silly idea that Biden isn’t listening to his voters
You think Dem voters support Israels genocide or codifying Trump’s border policies thru executive actions?
Is this one of those things where you look at a poll of “voters” and see ~60% agree with Biden?
For some reason people don’t always realize ~50% of voters are Republicans and will never vote for any Dem.
What Biden is doing isn’t popular with a majority of the people who might vote for him. But yes, the people who will never vote for him like that he’s conservative. It just doesn’t matter because they’re voting trump.
You don’t live in a country that has a strong Left majority.
Debatable, but irreverent to what Dem voters want. The voters who make up the Dem party have a “strong Left majority” as you put it.
I’m saying Biden and the party should cater to the people they have a chance of voting for.
What lifelong Republican voters and current trump supporters want literally doesn’t matter when talking about how Biden can get votes.
He has no chance of getting their votes.
I hope this makes sense
I hope this makes sense
No, it doesn’t.
Trump and his people are calling for mass arrests in the US and the destruction of Palestine.
In 1968 a lot of voters felt they couldn’t stand having Humphrey as President. They let Nixon win.
You vote for Biden and you can vote for someone else in 2028. You let Trump win and voting might be off the table completely.
You vote for Biden and you can vote for someone else in 2028
We had real change under Obama and Biden.
Obama passed the first comprehensive health care law, and had a nuclear treaty with Iran that even Israel said was working. Trump, of course dismantled it.
Biden is forgiving student loans, lessening the penalties for marijuana, and building green infrastructure.
Trump has called for nuking Palestine and imprisoning transpeople. Is that the change you’re hoping for?
Maybe this election we can have real change towards neofascism so there won’t even be a next election. Change is always good right? Oh, you wanted to have positive change? The indispensible prerequisite for that to happen is for the GOP to lose.
Wait…
So you give an example of when the Dems ran a candidate further to the right than their voters want…
Which resulted in the Republican winning…
And you blame voters?
And now, when the Dem party is running a candidate further than the right than Dem voters want…
You’re already blaming the voters?
You still haven’t realized the solution is running candidates that appeal to voters?
Did you forget Bill Clinton and Barack Obama happened in the middle?
You charismatic candidates who ran progressive campaigns that led to decisive wins?
You vote for Biden and you can vote for someone else in 2028
Lol, that’s what they said about 2016, and 2020…
It’s what you’re saying about 2024…
But next year, next year will definitely be different?
Lol, that’s what they said about 2016, and 2020…
So, you forgot about the January 6 coup attempt?
Lol, that’s what they said about 2016, and 2020…
It’s what you’re saying about 2024…
But next year, next year will definitely be different?
Given that Biden will be ineligible to run again? Yeah.
Trump has repeatedly tried to come up with reasons and justifications to not adhere to the two term limit described in the Constitution.
And now, when the Dem party is running a candidate further than the right than Dem voters want…
The party is running exactly the candidate that the majority of voters want. The “party” picks the candidate only in the sense that the party is the primary voters. To pretend this is not how it works is Trumpian level bullshit.
You should pump the breaks for awhile. You make less and less sense with every wall of ramble you type.
Good god you did your mental gymnastics twice in a thread.
