• XIIIesq@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      Hillary didn’t lose because of a cult of personality or a few swing states, she was just simply a shit candidate.

      If you’re worried about losing to Trump, then get your own candidate that’s not senile.

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        5 months ago

        Hillary didn’t lose because of a cult of personality or a few swing states, she was just simply a shit candidate.

        She had decades of accumulated hatred from Republicans. She had resentment from Obama Democrats regarding her behavior in the 2008 primaries. She had greater resentment from Sanders Democrats because of the way party leadership favored her in the 2016 primaries. She coupled that with a VP nominee that was to her right, as a slap to the face of progressives she had done her best to alienate. Then she didn’t campaign in key swing states that she went on to lose.

        What I’m saying here is that she was not simply a shit candidate. Her shittiness was remarkable for its complexity.

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        It might not be fair to call her a shit candidate, on paper she was a very good candidate, but her personality and willingness to take Michigan and Wisconsin for granted doomed her.

        Anyone else with her credentials could have won.

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          Likability has to be the most important characteristic to electability. JFK, Reagan, “I’d have a beer with Bush Jr.,” Obama, etc… It’s pretty much the “trump card” if you have it to any election; and Unlikability guarantees you’re doomed.

          If we had someone half-ways likeable; half-ways young… Well, that would basically be a trump card, dare I say. Harris isn’t it.

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            Unlikability guarantees you’re doomed.

            Uh Nixon? George HW Bush? Nobody actually liked them.

            FDR was a spoiled rich kid who married his cousin and couldn’t even stand up on his own. He was elected 4 times because Hoover and the Republicans couldn’t fix the Great Depression. Don’t underestimate the power of one party fucking up their own chances.

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        Give me a fucking break. Hillary was not a shit candidate. She’s arguably the most qualified candidate in recent elections, probably more so than Obama. And I don’t say that as someone who agrees with most of her policies but as someone who respects her intelligence and experience. She would have made an excellent president.

        Leaving aside our broken system, she lost because she is a woman and a lot of people can’t stand that.

      • Lexi Sneptaur@pawb.social
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        5 months ago

        Hillary and Biden are both pretty decent candidates. They both seem to have poor electoral strategy though. Its so bad it almost seems by design