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“Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?” [Y/N]

  • JaymesRS
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    8 months ago

    If your idea of negotiation is the equivalent of drilling holes in the boat while we are all at sea, you are a terrible negotiator.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      8 months ago

      The primary is the only time to drag Biden left, and even then it’s likely he ignores his campaign promises if elected.

      Telling people they can’t even do that, is just going to make them give up and become disengaged.

      Biden isn’t a strong enough candidate to do that, he barely beat trump last election. He had plenty of popular votes extra, but because the electoral college is a thing, if trump got like 30k more votes in 3 states, Trump would have won again. Biden needs every vote he can get.

      Pretending everything will be fine so we don’t have to do anything doesn’t work for climate change and it doesn’t work for elections.

      • JaymesRS
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        8 months ago

        No one is pretending everything is fine, we are just in triage mode for democracy and are trying to save the patient first because the alternative is massively worse.

        • Krauerking@lemy.lol
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          8 months ago

          By slapping the patient and saying they need to lose weight before they treat their bullet wounds.
          Everything is mismatched responses and no one listens to anything but themselves and their echo chamber anymore.

          It’s not bad advice to vote for the obviously not fascist wannabe but it’s not gonna be the best advice when we can see his polling numbers are fucking atrocious, and the beatings aren’t getting those numbers back up. No one is just talking to the American people and asking what their symptoms are and building a plan from it. It’s all just assumed but no one seems to be actually on the same page.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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          8 months ago

          The difference is I’m talking about how to save American democracy…

          And you’re talking about how to trick people into voting for the oldest person to ever run for US President.

          Biden only has to be the candidate because the DNC says so. They’re not good at picking candidates if you haven’t noticed. Because they care more about donors and fancy fundraisers than getting votes.

          • JaymesRS
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            8 months ago

            By making sure the one candidate that has the support of the most anti democratic forces is elected.

            Bold strategy, Cotton…

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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              8 months ago

              If the only positive for a candidate is that he’s not the other candidate…

              And polling is pointing toward an incredibly close race because of that…

              Maybe you should also be helping ring the alarm bells while there’s still time to run literally anyone else so we don’t have to deal with four more years of trump?

              Or are you just going to ignore all warnings and then act shocked and blame everyone with the common sense to warn you before it was too late?

              I hope you make the one pick that would actually help our chances, but I’ll never hear what you picked.

      • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        I love how your ilk just wipes away minor details like “discouraging voters from voting by lying and saying Biden and trump are similar is not only not destructive, it actually is good

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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          8 months ago

          Please stop trying to make the democratic party as undemocratic as the republican party.

          It’s kind of our last option, and every election would be a slam dunk if we just ran an average candidate

    • aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social
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      8 months ago

      Dunno, if I were on a boat with someone trying to sink it I’d probably be willing to give them some concessions. I might even be willing to try to stop a genocide that I have the power to stop, despite how crazy that sounds.