I think what everyone is honestly mad about is that we had stories in Legends that people were attached to for many years before the movies. I think the biggest offense the movies had was bringing Palps back, which was also unpopular in the comics. My only other gripe is the end. I wanted Ben and Rey standing together, and to see them finally standing together. But that didn’t happen. Other than that it was pretty classic Star Wars stuff. People are just gonna be pissed with big IPs, can’t please everyone.
They alluded to it, showing the vats of snoke-esque body parts, as well as the classic “unnatural” line, but they never outright explain it. Basically, unless you’re a hardcore fan who can pick up on the hints, I think you’d have a hard time understanding how he came back. Hence the criticism of the “Somehow” statement. Personally, I just think it is a bad line. It highlights that if the writers really wanted to bring Palpatine back, they would have needed to build up to it throughout the trilogy. By just saying “somehow”, the skip over what could have been a captivating mystery, had they had the time to make it. That, in my opinion, is the biggest flaw of the sequels. The lack of direction with no ending in mind. In my opinion, a good plot twist has clues that build up to the big reveal. That is mostly nonexistent here, as it’s clear Abrams vision in mind when making The Force Awakens. He just wanted to say he made a star wars movie, then move on with his career.
I mean, sure, but was the Palpatine Anakin killed a clone (therefore reducing his impact)? Is the new palps a clone? Does he have palps consciousness or just a copy of his memories? If he’s a clone, who made him and raised him? He seems pretty old, is it because of accelerated clone aging or because he’s the original?
You know, interesting sci-fi/force things to explore in a sci-fi/force trilogy.
I was a non-Legends SW fan who did very much dislike the sequels. I think they were very wasteful with the characters. Instead of developing them and allowing them to organically create the plot, a lot of the plot was forced and the underdeveloped characters had to react to it. The Last Jedi actually did try to do some character development, but it only developed half of them while practically executing the other half. Holdo, Rose, and especially Hux were all victims
I think what everyone is honestly mad about is that we had stories in Legends that people were attached to for many years before the movies. I think the biggest offense the movies had was bringing Palps back, which was also unpopular in the comics. My only other gripe is the end. I wanted Ben and Rey standing together, and to see them finally standing together. But that didn’t happen. Other than that it was pretty classic Star Wars stuff. People are just gonna be pissed with big IPs, can’t please everyone.
Wouldn’t have even been that bad bringing palps back if they bothered to give it any exposition.
But no, instead we got
“Somehow”
Didn’t they show the whole cloning thing or was that two different movies?
They alluded to it, showing the vats of snoke-esque body parts, as well as the classic “unnatural” line, but they never outright explain it. Basically, unless you’re a hardcore fan who can pick up on the hints, I think you’d have a hard time understanding how he came back. Hence the criticism of the “Somehow” statement. Personally, I just think it is a bad line. It highlights that if the writers really wanted to bring Palpatine back, they would have needed to build up to it throughout the trilogy. By just saying “somehow”, the skip over what could have been a captivating mystery, had they had the time to make it. That, in my opinion, is the biggest flaw of the sequels. The lack of direction with no ending in mind. In my opinion, a good plot twist has clues that build up to the big reveal. That is mostly nonexistent here, as it’s clear Abrams vision in mind when making The Force Awakens. He just wanted to say he made a star wars movie, then move on with his career.
I always thought it was really clearly cloning. Haven’t seen the movie in a long while but never felt like they didn’t explain it.
I mean, sure, but was the Palpatine Anakin killed a clone (therefore reducing his impact)? Is the new palps a clone? Does he have palps consciousness or just a copy of his memories? If he’s a clone, who made him and raised him? He seems pretty old, is it because of accelerated clone aging or because he’s the original?
You know, interesting sci-fi/force things to explore in a sci-fi/force trilogy.
New one was a clone, I just assumed it was 1-1 clone. I don’t think it all needs to be explored and explained. I felt the same way about the force.
I was a non-Legends SW fan who did very much dislike the sequels. I think they were very wasteful with the characters. Instead of developing them and allowing them to organically create the plot, a lot of the plot was forced and the underdeveloped characters had to react to it. The Last Jedi actually did try to do some character development, but it only developed half of them while practically executing the other half. Holdo, Rose, and especially Hux were all victims