Lol thanks for reminding me why I love Star Wars but always avoid the communities and fans at every possible cost 👍
Luke trying to kill Ben bugged me. I don’t mind that Luke wound up a crazy old hermit, all of his mentors did, but the fact that the guy who redeemed Vader decided to murder his nephew after one bad dream annoyed me.
Luke trying to kill Ben bugged me.
Never happened.
He went into his room, looked at Ben, and realized he had ignited his own saber. There was no attempt at murder or killing. It was a moment where he was caught up in the dark side but he didn’t try to actually kill Ben.
Literally what the meme is talking about though, thanks for so succinctly proving the point lol
So many people who complain about shit that never happened. Y’all are inventing your own boogeymen. There are legit problems with the movies and no one focuses on those. Instead people just make this shit up and go after stuff that was never shown and never occurred. Never seen any other fandom do this.
LOL, it was your phrase dude. Also, there are two versions of the scene; Ben’s retelling, where Luke swung at him, and Luke’s retelling, where he didn’t. I think Luke’s version is probably more accurate, but even then he pulled out his weapon, ignited it, and nearly swung before hesitating. So let’s say, “Luke almost trying to kill Ben,” if you wanna be pedantic about your own words.
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This is regarding the post rather than this specific comment.
You’ve constructed a thread nearly guaranteed to have uncivil arguments in the comments. Right or wrong in the details of your argument, you’ve invited yet another moshpit of negativity about Star Wars.
If you don’t like the sequels, it seems obtuse to make a thread arguing with other people who also don’t like them, but are doing it “wrong”. If you do like the sequels, posting positively about them and letting your enjoyment change peoples’ minds is more constructive than trying to debate people into enjoying them.
You are a very prolific poster on lemmy. Your posts get a lot of visibility, and therefore do contribute to setting a tone. If you like Star Wars, why make that tone negative?
Food for thought.
If you like Star Wars, why make that tone negative?
Ah yes. The meme that specifically is calling out false complaints and negativity within the community that is directed towards nothing is checks notes is actually negative itself.
Like I said. Thanks for reminding me why I love Star Wars and avoid the fanbase of it like the absolute fucking plague.
Like I said you’ve constructed a thread at people and designed to cause arguments. If you like the sequels, make a post about what you like and convince people by showing them what good you see, rather than telling them what they see is wrong.
This isn’t a comment in the debate style where I’m going to go back and forth with you and snip out tidbits of your post to get the worst reading on them. I’m trying to talk, not debate. I’m not trying to “win” but cutting you down. I’m trying to convince you to contribute to making Star Wars threads about Star Wars rather than about fandom infighting.
Chew on it a bit.
To be fair, even assuming Luke’s retelling is accurate, it kinda felt super out of character for him to “unknowingly ignite his lightsaber”. Last time we saw the guy in movie cannon, he had just thrown away his lightsaber while facing down two Sith Lords, so strong was his belief in the good within his father. He was a Jedi Master, trained by Yoda to control his emotions. And I dont think it would be unfair to assume he got better at this since ROTJ.
But instead, he got so bad at self control that he pulled out his weapon on his nephew, over a bad premonition. Then when shit hit the fan, gives up completely and goes full hermit mode. Just didn’t feel like Luke to me. Instead it felt like Rian Johnson just wanted to make a point about hero worship and to subvert expectations.
I agree with your overarching points in the meme. But I’ll always be sad to see, what felt to me like, the character assassination of Luke Skywalker.
he got so bad at self-control
That’s literally the point though. Just like how the impentrable, saint-like Jedi Order failed to pay attention to the rot and carelessness in their own organization, so too did the last Jedi forget that he is not perfect, and he stopped working on himself.
The Jedi Order did not rot from within, the Republic rotted around them.
Palpatine changed the game the Sith had played for millennia. Realizing he/they now I guess could not win a direct conflict with the Jedi, he instead played a game they could not play without becoming the Sith in everything but name themselves.
To fight the political corruption of the Republic, what would they have had to do?
Burst into the Senate chambers and arrest every Senator in sight?
Seize control and institute fully automatic gay luxury space communism?
Well, actually, yes, they should have done that, as well as invading Tattoine to end the slave trade, but Lucas would never have written that so what else you got?
Executing Anakin for being both too dangerous to train and leave alone?
It’s just an idiot’s argument to pretend the Jedi losing one battle in their ten thousand year old war against the Sith means the Order was wrong about everything. The kind of mindless prattling that you get when you put a random director in charge of a simple series he still fails to understand.
If it worked for you, more power to you. My ramblings are nothing more than the butthurt musings of an OT fanboy. And maybe I’ll always be blinded by those lenses.
Fwiw, I did understand the point they were trying to make, and I get that it is possible for a person to change over decades, and not always for the better.
But for me, regardless of the point, it was too large a departure from the core of Luke’s character. Character writing involves, well… characterization. Giving your characters arcs, traits, beliefs, values, and growth. Unless you take the time to show and develop the changes in a character, then it can feel like a wholely different person. And (with no time spent developing the change) the Luke we got in TLJ held none of the traits of, or lessons learned by, Luke in the OT.
Luke had ended the OT being defined by his courage, composure, dedication to his friends, and an unyielding belief that the goodness inside a person is able to overcome the darkness. Luke in the ST showed none of those traits. And I think that undermining the core traits of a beloved character, without even spending time developing those changes, just to make a point, was a bad choice.
That’s the point that I tend to agree with actually.
I will absolutely defend the decision to show Luke in that state from a literary perspective. However, it sucks as a fan. It wasn’t a great decision from a we are a media franchise with fans spanning 50 years.
Instead people just make this shit up and go after stuff that was never shown and never occurred. Never seen any other fandom do this.
It also happens with The Last of Us Part II, which points to a probable cause: the same factually wrong criticisms get repeated not from individual engagement with the original media, but rather with professional shit-stirrers on YouTube. Someone rides the algorithm to dunk on something popular, and their terrible takes are recycled forever.
I think what everyone is honestly mad about is that we had stories in Legends that people were attached to for many years before the movies. I think the biggest offense the movies had was bringing Palps back, which was also unpopular in the comics. My only other gripe is the end. I wanted Ben and Rey standing together, and to see them finally standing together. But that didn’t happen. Other than that it was pretty classic Star Wars stuff. People are just gonna be pissed with big IPs, can’t please everyone.
Wouldn’t have even been that bad bringing palps back if they bothered to give it any exposition.
But no, instead we got
“Somehow”
Didn’t they show the whole cloning thing or was that two different movies?
They alluded to it, showing the vats of snoke-esque body parts, as well as the classic “unnatural” line, but they never outright explain it. Basically, unless you’re a hardcore fan who can pick up on the hints, I think you’d have a hard time understanding how he came back. Hence the criticism of the “Somehow” statement. Personally, I just think it is a bad line. It highlights that if the writers really wanted to bring Palpatine back, they would have needed to build up to it throughout the trilogy. By just saying “somehow”, the skip over what could have been a captivating mystery, had they had the time to make it. That, in my opinion, is the biggest flaw of the sequels. The lack of direction with no ending in mind. In my opinion, a good plot twist has clues that build up to the big reveal. That is mostly nonexistent here, as it’s clear Abrams vision in mind when making The Force Awakens. He just wanted to say he made a star wars movie, then move on with his career.
I always thought it was really clearly cloning. Haven’t seen the movie in a long while but never felt like they didn’t explain it.
I mean, sure, but was the Palpatine Anakin killed a clone (therefore reducing his impact)? Is the new palps a clone? Does he have palps consciousness or just a copy of his memories? If he’s a clone, who made him and raised him? He seems pretty old, is it because of accelerated clone aging or because he’s the original?
You know, interesting sci-fi/force things to explore in a sci-fi/force trilogy.
New one was a clone, I just assumed it was 1-1 clone. I don’t think it all needs to be explored and explained. I felt the same way about the force.
I was a non-Legends SW fan who did very much dislike the sequels. I think they were very wasteful with the characters. Instead of developing them and allowing them to organically create the plot, a lot of the plot was forced and the underdeveloped characters had to react to it. The Last Jedi actually did try to do some character development, but it only developed half of them while practically executing the other half. Holdo, Rose, and especially Hux were all victims
Episode 8 man, everyone is like: “I never see it coming, rey is a nobody”, “She is the first one that is not from a lineage”, “A heroine that is not the chosen one for once”. And I’m like she is strong as fuck in the force, without any training and has visions of the past well if she’s not have a reason to be this OP so the force choose her to be OP, if the force chose her SHE IS THE FUCKING CHOSEN ONE.
Let’s try a novel approach and be positive. What’s something you liked about the sequels?
One from each:
- Rey’s dialogue-free introduction.
- Luke’s “Jakuu pretty much is nowhere” line.
- Adam Driver’s evocation of a Harrison Ford-esque smile at the end.
Adam Driver, Daisy Ridley, and Mark Hamill did an amazing job with their roles, in spite of the script they were given.
I thought the acting from most of the cast was pretty solid. The visual effects were nice while still harkening back to the Original Trilogy and looking “outdated” in certain respects. I loved Poe and I thought that Phasma was pretty badass if underutilized, then again that’s kind of consistent with Star Wars at this point. I loved the new scores. Crait was visually gorgeous with the salt and red earth combination. Lightsaber battles in new locations was also really awesome, especially the snow sequence in The Force Awakens. The blue and red shining off of the snow looked so cool. I thought Takodana was a really neat location and the shots of the X-Wings flying in were stunning. Han using the Bowcaster was kind of hilarious. As someone who was raised in a really abusive household, I also really appreciated and loved the theme of not being who your family is. Ben/Kylo obviously went to the darker extreme but Rey also rebelled pretty hard against her lineage and I related to that.
To start with.
What else?
Admiral Holdo earning her place in Asgard for an eternity of mead and roast pig lol
The visual effects were quite good.
The acting was generally good from pretty much every one
Rey and Finn burgeoning romance hinted at in FA. I really wish they had built on that. Successful or not I can live with but at least try.
Lol thanks for reminding me why I love Star Wars but always avoid the communities and fans at every possible cost 👍
Said while posting in a star wars community and replying to all the comments by fans 🤣😘🤣
Hey, thanks for making StarWars memes. I know making ST memes can generate a lot of… impassioned discussions. But I appreciate seeing the genuine effort on content. So thanks.
Well I’m sorry to inform you but this was 100% the last one. It doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s OT, PT or ST. The Star Wars fandom is remarkably toxic and I’m just kind of tired of it. I don’t think I’ve ever had a conversation with a Star Wars fan that didn’t end up just them screaming about how Disney is horrible and the Sequels are a war crime and the Prequels were stupid until they weren’t and the OT was picture perfect. Every single time someone brings up anything new in Star Wars it devolves into a bitchfit. Look at this meme. The only thing it’s saying is that if you’re going to complain about the Sequels then focus on stuff that actually happened and not stuff that people invented just because they were upset that their movie didn’t go the way they wanted. What’s the comments? Exactly that. Whiny and pathetic children who are more happy to invent their own reality about how everything is awful than just cope with the fact that not everything is going to be great and not everything is going to be the way that they want it.
I started posting memes to this community on my other account months ago and had the exact same realization then. For some stupid reason a couple of weeks ago I thought “Hey, it can’t be that bad.” Nah. It was. That and the fact that the like 6 moderators here do literally nothing. Comments and posts are removed automatically because of a low score and then no mod interacts it ever. Shits being removed simply because “it was reported”. This entire community is a dumpster fire of the highest fucking proportions. Feels appropriate.
I am absolutely embarrassed to call myself a fan of Star Wars because I have to get thrown in with these pathetic losers. And this is why you’ll never see me talking about Star Wars again despite being about as big a fan of it as I am Star Trek.
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