I don’t know if anyone here ever had a taste for sci-fi gun porn, but the first person to introduce me to the idea of Germanic neo-paganism was a fellow named John Ringo, pulp fiction writer.
You’ve actually seen his effects on the world, he’s often credited with coining the phrase “Go Woke Go Broke.”
Anyways, he’s literally a Nazi pretending to be American libertarian. Once you get clued in to the dogwhistles they’re just… just fuckin everywhere.
Rape fetish, sexualization of minors, blatant racism, thinly veiled Wehraboo shit, he had aliens genocide everyone not white at one point while also making blonde women go into heats, like you do not understand, this is just the surface. He practically dedicated one book to explaining how “machismo culture” is why Hispanics will never amount to anything, this is not a joke.
Anyways, any one ever tells you they’re Asartu, they’re either the dumbest person on the planet or a Nazi, there are no exceptions. There simply is no value to Norse neo-paganism because the original sucked fucking ass too.
Not getting into its explicit endorsement of chattel slavery and might makes right rules of conquest, or even the human sacrifice, the only credible source we have of a “Viking funeral,” witnessed and recorded by an Arabic traveler, recounts the gang rape and murder of a slave woman as part of the ritual, and ends with a naked, presumably expendable Kievan Rus man running from the pyre covering his ass so spirits don’t get in it.
The Germanic religion is historically interesting, had a great myth cycle, one of my favorite versions of a “zombie,” and has some interesting tenets regarding things like a hereditary matriarchal spirit passed to all descendants, even the men, but it still belongs in the past, dead. There is no value in its resurrection for anyone not a Nazi.
Go be a druid or a witch or something, damn, at least when they make shit up about dead religions with no actual surviving belief structure it’s not always a cover for white supremacy.
Watch On the Rhine and Troy Rising are generally considered his biggest “mask off” moments. I gave up on him after Troy so I can’t speak for his zombie series but I must assume the evidence keeps piling up.
The thing with Ringo is there’s never one moment where he lays it all out, it’s weird little moments over his entire bibliography that turn little dogwhistles into a bullhorn.
He’ll never say he’s a Nazi, but it sure is weird how he hates all the things Nazis do and loves all the things they love.
Which is honestly a shame, he has the occasional cool idea, and I don’t mind saying I’d still read an actual ending to the Posleen War or the Looking Glass series. I think the Looking Glass actually predicted WFH and the backlash to it pretty well.
What might be interesting about him is that I’m pretty sure you could map out the “libertarian”- Tea Party - “far right” pipeline if you read him in order, he definitely gets worse over time.
I just ready a synopsis for Watch on the Rhine. That’s batshit crazy lol. That’s as clear as it gets.
And it’s a shame, I really would have liked an ending to the council wars.
Anyways, any one ever tells you they’re Asartu, they’re either the dumbest person on the planet or a Nazi, there are no exceptions.
I mean over here you can’t have a blot without splattering blood on ten Antifas but ok bud.
Not getting into its explicit endorsement of chattel slavery and might makes right rules of conquest,
…par for the course for its historical context. I could now go on and talk about the Frankish genocide against the Saxons in the name of Christ but let’s just agree that it’s currentyear , ok?
or even the human sacrifice,
Sacrificial rites differed a lot between regions. While Swedes probably did sacrifice humans (presumably volunteers) at the same time Icelanders were putting out a pot of porridge.
the only credible source we have of a “Viking funeral,” witnessed and recorded by an Arabic traveler, recounts the gang rape and murder of a slave woman as part of the ritual, and ends with a naked, presumably expendable Kievan Rus man running from the pyre covering his ass so spirits don’t get in it.
Yes because Muslim accounts of pagans are always 110% accurate. Noone back then ever embellished anything, or made stuff up. Also wtf has that to do with anything current.
Go be a druid or a witch or something, damn, at least when they make shit up about dead religions with no actual surviving belief structure
Now if no mythology about the Aesir was left you would have a point. Go read the Edda.
it’s not always a cover for white supremacy.
“always”? Maybe where you are. Like about the worst you can say about the Ásatrúarfélagið without putting your foot in your mouth that they once were quite conservative and e.g. opposed abortion.
All mystical seekers are equally stupid in their disregard for reality, but at least Scientology was an original work instead of a fan fict for revisionist fascists.
I’d say that all ignorers of their subconscious are equally stupid in their disregard for reality. Now what?
Religion is a part of the human psyche, ask Jung, ignore it at your own peril. And, no, building a religion around atrociously bad pulp sci-fi is a much, much worse approach than trying to line yourself up with an older tradition. In the case of Scientology you get a glimpse at Hubbart’s neuroses, when reading the Edda you get a glimpse of what generations and generations of Norse shamans and skalds had successfully brought from the (collective/individual) shadow into the light.
You’re looking at the whole topic from an almost comically naive perspective.
As to “choose Asatru or modern Satanism or Discordianism or Stoicism or something eclectic or whatnot”: There’s no wrong religion. There’s only religions which might be right or wrong for you (with the caveat that Pastafarianism is a lame joke without any depth). As to “but the original tradition has been lost”: So what. Traditions change and are, in any case, not the praying to the ashes but the passing of the fire. Stoke some embers. Listen to Heilung or something like Sunn O))) (headphones! (both)). See if you still have enough chaos in you to give birth to a dancing star, or go on and continue worshipping Greyface.
I don’t know if anyone here ever had a taste for sci-fi gun porn, but the first person to introduce me to the idea of Germanic neo-paganism was a fellow named John Ringo, pulp fiction writer.
You’ve actually seen his effects on the world, he’s often credited with coining the phrase “Go Woke Go Broke.”
Anyways, he’s literally a Nazi pretending to be American libertarian. Once you get clued in to the dogwhistles they’re just… just fuckin everywhere.
Rape fetish, sexualization of minors, blatant racism, thinly veiled Wehraboo shit, he had aliens genocide everyone not white at one point while also making blonde women go into heats, like you do not understand, this is just the surface. He practically dedicated one book to explaining how “machismo culture” is why Hispanics will never amount to anything, this is not a joke.
Anyways, any one ever tells you they’re Asartu, they’re either the dumbest person on the planet or a Nazi, there are no exceptions. There simply is no value to Norse neo-paganism because the original sucked fucking ass too.
Not getting into its explicit endorsement of chattel slavery and might makes right rules of conquest, or even the human sacrifice, the only credible source we have of a “Viking funeral,” witnessed and recorded by an Arabic traveler, recounts the gang rape and murder of a slave woman as part of the ritual, and ends with a naked, presumably expendable Kievan Rus man running from the pyre covering his ass so spirits don’t get in it.
The Germanic religion is historically interesting, had a great myth cycle, one of my favorite versions of a “zombie,” and has some interesting tenets regarding things like a hereditary matriarchal spirit passed to all descendants, even the men, but it still belongs in the past, dead. There is no value in its resurrection for anyone not a Nazi.
Go be a druid or a witch or something, damn, at least when they make shit up about dead religions with no actual surviving belief structure it’s not always a cover for white supremacy.
John Ringo like the sci-fi author? Got any examples? I devoured his books as a teen but I never knew he was a nut.
Watch On the Rhine and Troy Rising are generally considered his biggest “mask off” moments. I gave up on him after Troy so I can’t speak for his zombie series but I must assume the evidence keeps piling up.
The thing with Ringo is there’s never one moment where he lays it all out, it’s weird little moments over his entire bibliography that turn little dogwhistles into a bullhorn.
He’ll never say he’s a Nazi, but it sure is weird how he hates all the things Nazis do and loves all the things they love.
Which is honestly a shame, he has the occasional cool idea, and I don’t mind saying I’d still read an actual ending to the Posleen War or the Looking Glass series. I think the Looking Glass actually predicted WFH and the backlash to it pretty well.
What might be interesting about him is that I’m pretty sure you could map out the “libertarian”- Tea Party - “far right” pipeline if you read him in order, he definitely gets worse over time.
Or maybe he just got bolder…
I just ready a synopsis for Watch on the Rhine. That’s batshit crazy lol. That’s as clear as it gets. And it’s a shame, I really would have liked an ending to the council wars.
“Tenets.”
Also, Jesus Christ.
I mean over here you can’t have a blot without splattering blood on ten Antifas but ok bud.
…par for the course for its historical context. I could now go on and talk about the Frankish genocide against the Saxons in the name of Christ but let’s just agree that it’s currentyear , ok?
Sacrificial rites differed a lot between regions. While Swedes probably did sacrifice humans (presumably volunteers) at the same time Icelanders were putting out a pot of porridge.
Yes because Muslim accounts of pagans are always 110% accurate. Noone back then ever embellished anything, or made stuff up. Also wtf has that to do with anything current.
Now if no mythology about the Aesir was left you would have a point. Go read the Edda.
“always”? Maybe where you are. Like about the worst you can say about the Ásatrúarfélagið without putting your foot in your mouth that they once were quite conservative and e.g. opposed abortion.
I did mention “dumb people”
Nah you said “dumbest” and now I want to hear your argument as to why neoheathens are dumber than Scientologists.
All mystical seekers are equally stupid in their disregard for reality, but at least Scientology was an original work instead of a fan fict for revisionist fascists.
I’d say that all ignorers of their subconscious are equally stupid in their disregard for reality. Now what?
Religion is a part of the human psyche, ask Jung, ignore it at your own peril. And, no, building a religion around atrociously bad pulp sci-fi is a much, much worse approach than trying to line yourself up with an older tradition. In the case of Scientology you get a glimpse at Hubbart’s neuroses, when reading the Edda you get a glimpse of what generations and generations of Norse shamans and skalds had successfully brought from the (collective/individual) shadow into the light.
You’re looking at the whole topic from an almost comically naive perspective.
As to “choose Asatru or modern Satanism or Discordianism or Stoicism or something eclectic or whatnot”: There’s no wrong religion. There’s only religions which might be right or wrong for you (with the caveat that Pastafarianism is a lame joke without any depth). As to “but the original tradition has been lost”: So what. Traditions change and are, in any case, not the praying to the ashes but the passing of the fire. Stoke some embers. Listen to Heilung or something like Sunn O))) (headphones! (both)). See if you still have enough chaos in you to give birth to a dancing star, or go on and continue worshipping Greyface.
Yes, you are all equally stupid in that specific regard.
I can show you water, I can hand you a cup, I cannot make you realise you’re thirsty.
I don’t typically drink bleach that idiots think is water because it’s a clear liquid.
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