so apparently it only applies to companies located in the EU? not operating in the EU, since I’m in the EU and no button

I just cancelled the automatic payment from paypal. Should do the job. If I stop paying, then they can’t shove their service down my throat and claim I should pay. That’s the plan…

1-3 a range? So that means: None, All, AND Abort? But that’s contradicting.

I’m using a relative fresh install of manjaro gnome though, I never installed this ivpn package before

true but generally speaking one could say he who makes abundance for us all, deserves more.

We don’t live in a zero sum game though.

Perhaps. I never stated that we are. I was just pointing to a hypothetical world with limited resources, and what then would be most appropriate.

there’s no equivalence here.

So you would give menstrual products to people with a uterus but don’t say anything about not giving menstrual products to people without a uterus?

But would you? If you do not, wouldn’t that make you treat people unequally, in some sense?

sure, no one is denying that. I was just jumping in on specifics of how that would look like, for example, when giving certain items.

thats true, then I was wrong. I would however still very much bet my money on the hypothesis that it is.

well if you are a reliable source to yourself, I’d say:

Men have more muscle mass than women so they are stronger, particularly in the upper body

And for the other other, the rougher mental, I don’t want to play mean or anything, but isn’t the burden of proof more on your side? Yes it is certainly possible society molds certain characteristics of men, but that doesn’t necessarily mean this particularly trait is - the rougher mental. Don’t you agree, right now, in western society, men are less likely to admit their pain?

So for example a physical trauma. Both man and woman get hurt by the same amount, the man would have a higher chance of “shrugging it off” because 2 reason: thicker skin (as you said), and have a rougher mental (or at least want to appear to have), e.g. they want to be seen strong, so they are more inclined to say they are ok

This is the biggest problem. “Intuitive observation” means the evidence is anecdotal,…

I agree, I just wanted to point out that I felt like you shrugged away the example as if there is not even an intuitively observed phenomenon.

BUT back to the point. I may not have proof that women are more sociable, but it’s damn plausible from a evolutionary perspective, women care for children -> thus more sociable inclined to children. So what is your response to this and the trait of physical strength of men? These are pretty obvious no? Do you acknowledge this difference to be more pronounced between genders than within one gender?

I said bigger, not big.

that’s what I meant. You wouldn’t give them to whoever not needed them. I called them man, you called them people without uterus. In other words, you don’t want to treat all equally.

what about physical strength and the inclination for socialization? These traits vary on both genders, but generally all men are physically strong, all women are physically weak(er); and generally all women have inclination for socialization, all men have less inclination for socialization.

Other traits that largely vary within one gender, probably also largely vary between genders, so these cancel out.

I might be wrong about this last point though, but to just shrug this off as if this is taken completely out of the blue and rarely intuitively observed in day-to-day life, is not fair.

you do have a point in the sense that if we live in a utopia, I think there is good reason to think that it shouldn’t matter what choices people make, they all get the same ‘reward’/financial outcome/etc.

You said:

If the world has the resources to allow it, then why should one person be punished for chasing their joy while another is rewarded?

Yes okay, but what if there are limited resources? Or a world that needs improvement? Isn’t it then better to incentivize people to work hard to make our world of limited resources a world of abundance? If yes, then it means to give those a higher reward at the expense of those who made “other choices”.

Are we now living in a world of limited resources / that needs improvement? If yes, then it would probably be justified to take from those who made “other choices”

but obviously there is a bigger difference between men and women, than between men and women themselves. Quite sure that’s the relevant bit…

treat them equally? But you probably don’t want to give menstrual items to a man

Women shouldn’t be expected to know how to do laundry, cook, or avoid dirty jobs. Men shouldn’t be expected to be tough and “walk off” injury and trauma, etc.

I know I’m walking a fine line, but still, in general, women have certain interests/traits and thus have their own skills/tendencies: care for children, avoid dirty jobs, etc. And men are tougher thus can more easily “walk off” injury and trauma. So when you see a man and a woman in an accident, both relatively little wounded, would it be morally bad to say to the man “you can probably walk it off”, and to the woman “do you need more help with that?” ? Because there is just a higher probability of this being the case. This shouldn’t obviously taken for granted, but if you don’t know them, and the injuries are right in the middle where you kind of expect them to be okay, but are just on the verge of asking/stating anyway, you would say these things and thus distinguish between them based on gender. Is that so bad?

Well to a certain degree I guess. They’re never going to be as equal as numbers can. What is even meant by men and women being “equal”? Equality of opportunity?

they are an awesome company though