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  • iii@mander.xyztomemes@lemmy.worldA totally normal thing
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    8 hours ago

    Futures are still technically gambling. (…) There’s always a chance that the underlying asset radically changes in value between the contract and execution dates.

    Sure, I agree. But in the same technicallity; purchasing or selling anything is technically gambling, there’s a chance that it will devalue or increase in value over time. You could’ve bought (or sold) earlier (or later). (Electricity market, again, being an interesting exception, as the product is destroyed as soon as it’s created. One could say the true value is never discovered, as it’s only sold as futures).

    The MBS market basically directly lead to the '08 crisis, as you certainly know.

    The fundamental problem that lead to the '08 crisis was incorrectly priced mortgages, and risk of repayment/devaluation. Even if the morgages were held by the original issuers, the same outcome would’ve occured.

    It wasn’t the derivative market that was the problem.

    An example of a derivative, that I can’t think of any reason for existing, other than increasing risk, are leveraged ETPs. I’d call those as close to pure gambling of any derivatives I know of.








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    A derivative != gambling what the other 20% will do.

    A common derivative is a “future”.

    Pre-ordering a videogame is a future contract. It’s a way for game publishers to finance the development of the game.

    Sometimes futures are the only way to trade a product: all electricity is sold under a future contract. This refers to producers and consumers agreeing “tommorow 11am to 12am, I will consume (for the one party), and produce (for the producing party), 10MW of power”. It is a simple necessity to trade electricity as a future contract, as electricity isn’t easily stored, and the grid needs to be balanced (production ~= consumption) at all times. Here, the future contract is used as a method of coordination.