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Cake day: 2023年7月16日

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  • I don’t think it’s very simple at all.

    According to the CBS, about 40% of Jews in Israel were born to a father also born in Israel. Given the relative youth of the Israeli population and the fact that it’s been nearly 80 years since Mandatory Palestine existed, the number is probably quite a bit higher (especially because that number only relates to the fathers, not the mothers), but even if only 60% of Israeli Jews are descendants of settlers, that’s nearly 5 million people. Out of a total population of about 15 million people living in Israel and Palestine combined.

    A poll published in may showed that more than 80% and more than half of all Israelis support forced expulsion of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip and forced expulsion of Arabs from Israel, respectively. That’s five and eight million people. (The poll itself was only published in Hebrew, but I think this is the link).

    How can a unified, peaceful country actually be created without “giving into their sentimentality” when somewhere between a third and over half of them feel that way? What is additional punishment? A country cannot afford to imprison that large a proportion of its population, and fines would exacerbate the resentment. I could see some form of community service in the form of war cleanup and having to physically, literally deal with the results of a genocide working to reset people’s perspective on it, but it’s not as though they’re not aware of what’s happening. I don’t know that simply being confronted with the viscerality of the genocide they knowingly support would do much, especially with such a high proportion of the population who do support it.

    I’m not saying that the answer is to just give in to the demands of genocide supporters. I’m saying that it’s hard to imagine a workable solution and simply evicting and heavily taxing a whole bunch of people is going to lead to resentment.





  • I can’t see descendants of settlers who are en masse being kicked out of their homes and heavily taxed coming together to peacefully build a society with the people whom they ceded their homes to and whom they’re paying those reparations. Can you? How would you go about it without making them so resentful that they either refuse to help rebuild or start attacking the institutions of the new single state?

    I see the philosophical balance your solution would bring and it’s what I would want to do if I suddenly found myself a settler/settler’s descendant, but I don’t think enforcing it will lead to lasting peace. Perhaps with an education system that truly integrates children and teaches all of their history, without whitewashing any of it. But I think there’s a very strong cultural attachment in Israel to homeschooling, and don’t know if enforcing public schooling would create further resentment.



  • Yeah, I don’t know how to solve the issues of two separate families feeling ownership for the same location (fifty years ago, a Palestinian family including several living members was evicted from a home, and an Israeli couple moved in and then died, leaving their property to their children who played no role in taking the property from the Palestinians), but the solution is not to deport all of the Israelis from the region.

    My first instinct would be that the government would need to build a LOT of desirable housing and offer a cash incentive to all current and former residents to cede ownership claims to other properties in exchange for the deed to one of the newer properties, but it immediately occurs to me that the wealth difference between the average Palestinian family and the average Israeli family is probably large enough that there would essentially be a self-selection bias. Especially given the fact that poverty and food insecurity reduce our ability to make good financial decisions.

    I can’t think of a resolution for that situation that doesn’t involve someone feeling resentful. I’m not saying they have equal claim- but I know that the descendants of settlers are also people, who don’t want to be evicted from the (stolen) houses in which they were raised, and sowing resentment has not helped the region in the past.









  • Yes, though you mostly need to watch out for raw/green potatoes, and most cases of potato poisoning are not fatal.

    I think most of the nightshades can be poisonous/deadly in some way- eggplants can be bitter enough to upset your stomach if you don’t prepare them right, tomatoes are just a mutation away from being poisonous, and peanuts are highly allergenic. AFAIK, only one person has died from capsaicin, but he had a heart condition. That one will still definitely fuck your digestive system up though.



  • I will always be hated for this but fascism is necessary. It is the whip of the owning class. As long as you have capitalism, you have fascism.

    In more detail if you wish:

    Normal society: Person make chair, person sell chair, person eat

    Thats the “natural” way of things.

    Capitalism:Person make chair, person get tiny cut of chair because [mArKeTiNg cOsT, responsibility, land ownership and other bogus excuses], person eat less, capitalist eat more.

    People dont really accept this because it is not natural or fair. Therefore you need a couple of things, depending on the stage of capitalism:

    the carrot (you will have your own house! you will buy cool things! you can be rich!)

    the veil (propaganda, telling you why it is the only thing that works, why you just need to comply, because compliance will be rewarded…)

    the stick (a militarized police force that will shoot you if you dont comply)

    As you can see, all western states are currently going down the “military disguised as police” route. Why do you think that is? It is because the capitalists want more yachts.

    And after 100 years of propaganda, we actually believe there never has been a better system.

    Have a great day.

    That’s the full quote, I really don’t see how you’re reading this and thinking they support fascism (or capitalism, for that matter). It’s not great phrasing, but it looks to be an indictment of capitalism on the grounds that it relies on deceiving and abusing the populace.

    Was it edited or can you explain how you’re interpreting it?