• 0ptimal@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    I’m very curious about what the democrats were supposed to do to guarantee abortion access, perhaps you can clarify this for me. Were they supposed to pass a law that somehow would be immune to repeal from the next republican congress? Executive order? Amend the constitution? Some other form of legislative or executive magic I’m unfamiliar with?

    And your analogy of a literal arsonist being the same as another person just keeping some resources handy is actually very interesting - because by extension, you think that democrats should anticipate and prevent all possible fire-starting the republicans might do, and when they don’t, they’re just as bad?

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      6 months ago

      They have been passing laws and changing constitutions at the state level for the past 18 months. Clearly there was political will for that, but they chose to sit on their thumbs and do nothing.

      Something bad isn’t made better just because you compare it to something worse.

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          I did though. Republicans spent the past 40 years saying they want to overturn Roe vs. Wade, and the Democrats did nothing to make that more difficult. Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt. States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn’t. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.

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        Having the political will to do something now has zero to do with having the political will ten or fifteen years ago when it literally wasn’t a problem. Further, this idea that the democrats should just spend all their time and political energy finding ways to prevent all future possibilities of republicans doing bad stuff is stupid on its face, as it’s a flatly impossible task (both in scope and actual ability) and takes away from time spent solving other problems.

        Obama had a supermajority in 2009 and could have passed a national law protecting abortion rights, but didnt.

        I specifically asked in my prior comment what would stop republicans from repealing such a law when they had control, such as in 2017.

        States that swing back and forth could have passed similar laws that protected abortion, or put forth ballot initiatives to defend it, but didn’t. They knew what the Republicans wanted to do, and did nothing to prevent it.

        Man, the same thing over and over. Political will rarely exists to fix problems that might happen, it exists to fix problems that are material.

        You know, climate change is important to me, so I think democrats should be expending all their efforts to make the EPA more durable so the next republican congress/administration doesn’t ruin it. Oh wait, anything they pass into law can be repealed by the next congress? Executive orders can be revoked? People can be appointed to run government organizations that only have an interest in destroying that organization? Things can be undone?!

        Man, maybe prior administrations should have done some sort of magic with the Iran deal/Paris Accords/[any issue the Trump admin undid] so it couldn’t have been undone. I don’t know what that magic is, and its probably anti-democratic, but you seem convinced it exists.