• spujb@lemmy.cafe
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      patronizing is exactly the right word holy shit :(

      i am not a single issue voter and i’m highly critical of those telling me to utterly ditch the blue vote. but i am very uncomfortable with this portrayal of the pro-Palestine movement and i hope you, the reader, are too

      the artist of this should feel some level of shame i think

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        You’re reading too much into it. The cartoon isn’t about those who support Palestine. It’s about those who make it their only issue. Ending up only hurting themselves and everyone else.

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          Under a cartoon representation of a quite standard-looking Palestine supporting protester.

          “The cartoon isn’t about those who support Palestine.”

          What textual or external evidence do you have for this? Genuinely what could I be missing here lmao? Open to correction but this sounds like you are gaslighting urself?

          Edit to be very specific: The comic depicts what might be called a “generic” protester. And then puts words in their mouth that are not often heard: “I’m busy.” Not a popular slogan or anything.

          There’s one protester, one speech bubble. That’s 100% of the protesters on the page, where the uncommon speech is inserted into the generic. Hence my interperetation that the artist is representing all pro-Palestine protesters here as single issue obstructionist bad actors, which is an obvious non-truth

          It’s kind of a visual strawman, in other words.

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            It’s a political cartoon. They’re visual generally not textual. So there’s at least your first problem of many. Though I think your problems are all of your own design. That you think that represents all Palestinian supporters says more about you than it does about Palestinian supporters.

            But let’s analyze your own claims using your own required proofs. Where does the textually say anything you’ve implied?

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              Hi there, just wanted to mention that visual texts are quite prevalent in rhetorical media (e: of which political cartoons are very much a part despite your strange assertion.) Thank you for considering this perspective. I would appreciate it if you could provide evidence from the visual text or another source to support any alternative interpretations.

              An example of my perception: in a political cartoon, a white guy wearing a red MAGA hat might be perceived as representing Trump supporters. There would need to be considerable evidence for me to believe that such a symbol represented a specific subset of that group, of such a kind at least that I do not see here.

              I may not engage in further answers to your questions until I receive a response addressing the evidence provided. Thank you for understanding, and I value your perspective.

              Edit: I do see that you blocked me. So, that’s excellent :/

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                Your link has nothing to do with political cartoons. Could you be any more smarmy disingenuous or obvious. You can’t even defend what you said. Nor can you admit it. Worse you resort to lemmygrad posting and making shit up. Proving that you’re not engaging in good faith. The least you could do is make my name bigger on that image so people would know to laugh and ridicule you quicker.

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                  hilarious interaction:

                  • i state my interpretation of a text, ask for clarification
                  • ”prove it to me”
                  • i provide a parallel example to defend my understanding
                  • ”you won’t even defend what you said, also i am gonna compare you to violent communists”

                  i am still open to evidence by the way. :) it’s insane how quickly you devolved into personal attacks tho

    • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
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      Dunno. How patronizing is it?

      Single-issue voters are one of the biggest challenges to a functioning democracy. Planks and balance provide depth; a willingness to compromise and work to the greater good.

      But that’s gone now, isn’t it. And when a Palestinian advocate candidate is running for president, who supports pro-choice, affordable housing, and every other liberal plank except they object to green-colored libraries, then fuck them because I have to have my green-painted libraries!

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        Personally I would guess that the >50% of eligible voters who don’t vote, largely due to systemic disenfranchisement, are a bigger issue.

        Another systemic issue is FPTP.

        I find any solution to “fix” democracy that attacks/criticizes the individual voter to be barely valid. The solution to a systemic problem is always going to be systemic in my experience.

        *Disclaimer: Not well-researched in the field, simply applying my knowledge from other areas to this. I welcome corrections.

        • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
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          I knew what was going to catch an eye. We’re taking about single issue voters - would it have been better to compare 2A to genocide? Or anti-choice? Because those are real single choice issues that even better epitomize the issue, and neither is nearly as horrible as what’s going on in Gaza; Palestine is just the most recent iteration.

          And in this case, the single issue voters are making an insane decision, because he’s actively goading Israel on. If you think Biden’s weak-sauce response is bad, wait until Trump is in office: he will shift all military and financial support from Ukraine to Israel.

          Netanyahu is ignoring Biden not just because Biden isn’t taking any substantive action (“strongly-worded letters!”), but because he’s knows Biden has every chance to lose to Trump and then he can start building the gas chambers.

          People sitting this one out over Palestine are clueless dumb fucks. I hate Biden’s continued support of Israel in this - although I understand it as political expediency - but Trump is undeniably a worse option for Palestinians.

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        Single-issue voters are one of the biggest challenges to a functioning democracy.

        You don’t have a functional democracy. You never have.