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      Yes, and oddly also somehow no. Yes, people were often super racist by modern standards, but there was also a less polarized societal climate and stuff like this flew by without anyone batting an eye or feeling offended over a costume like this.

      Inclusion is of course better nowadays but I miss the innocence the past. People were much better taking bad takes in stride.

      E: because it needs clarification, again: This isnt an american perspective. Stop assuming everyone was racist as fuck to black people just because you guys kept them as slaves, thanks

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        Yes, people were often super racist by modern standards, but there was also a less polarized societal climate and stuff like

        It’s funny, people always say this, but it just isn’t true. Like somehow racism was okay for awhile, and everyone just agreed on that. I think about the following quotes

        […] They’re violent, they’re vicious, they’re ignorant, and they will cut us up. That’s their intent. To cut us up. [To Juror #7.] I’m warning you. This boy, this boy on trial here. We’ve got him. That’s one at least. I say get him before his kind gets us. I don’t give a goddamn about the law." -Juror #10

        “It’s very hard to keep personal prejudice out of a thing like this. And wherever you run into it, prejudice always obscures the truth.” -Juror #8.

        These are quotes from a 1954 teleplay. We didn’t just suddenly decide one day “hey wait a minute, prejudice against someone based on skin colour… is stupid, and wrong!” It always was, and we always knew it, but we didn’t stop it until an event moved us to.

        Inclusion is of course better nowadays but I miss the innocence the past

        I mean this in the least offensive way possible, but I am also a white male, and I think you’ll find that the past isn’t so innocent.

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          Is that 12 Angry Men?

          I’ve only seen the movie, but it was very good. Filled with what we call tropes/cliches today, but possessing a solid message.

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            Yes, it is also the film 12 Angry Men, which I feel like people have totally forgotten was about racial bias in America.

            If released today it would be considered ‘woke’ I imagine.

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        Tolerance of racist ideas isn’t really less racist. Asserting that no one was offended over this costume back in the day is a pretty bad take and just isn’t true.

        I agree with what I think you’re saying. Idk if this guy wearing black face means he’s racist. It’s just him participating in the cultural phenomenon of OJ in a way he doesn’t realize is super incentive.

        The thing is, the same guy today would not have put on black face. Because today, people who do this would be fired from their jobs, because it’s racist to put on black face and in today’s less racist society, you’re more likely to be punished for being racist.

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        I totally agree, especially when slavery was around everyone was just super cool with dehumanizing a group of people, and society was really good with just taking that hit in stride. /s obviously

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          In case it wasn’t clear from the 90s picture OP posted, but I wasn’t talking about the time you people kept humans as property.

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        stuff like this flew by without anyone batting an eye or feeling offended over a costume like this.

        betty white

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          I dont know who or why she is special in this regard. As I said this is not an american perspective.

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            stuff like this flew by without anyone batting an eye or feeling offended over a costume like this.

            this stuff flew by because you weren’t the target of the racism. betty-white is slang - bet he’s white.

            because in the 80s when black people saw this shit, they thought it was fucked up; and the 90s, and the 00s. it wasn’t until 2010s that people started getting fired and doxxed for this kind of shit.

            But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t racist as fuck or not ever noticed. You didn’t care because you weren’t the target.

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        So what you are saying is people just didn’t give a fuck, because being rascist was okay. Oh golly, the good old times, eh? Fuck you man