• PugJesus@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Thanks for demonstrating utter illiteracy in international affairs. Thinking is too hard, I guess; easier to treat it as a religion.

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      7 months ago

      Uh huh. Hey, why don’t you hop over to a South or Central American community and ask them what they think about it?

      You know, you’ve usually got pretty reasonable takes. I think some more, and non-American, perspectives on the matter might do you a lot of good.

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        7 months ago

        Good idea.

        You know, you’ve usually got pretty reasonable takes. I think some more, and non-American, perspectives on the matter might do you a lot of good.

        I majored in international history. I follow international politics closely. The assumption that American diabolism is the default position amongst non-Americans is nothing but fantasy. In some places, the US retains a good reputation - in others, a predominantly negative one - but the fantasies of American diabolists, where the US is always a negative influence and never does anything, even accidentally, correct, is not a majority opinion outside of a small circlejerk of online leftists.

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          7 months ago

          Mmhhmm.

          I don’t see them asking for American intervention anywhere in that. Weird.

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            7 months ago

            What the fuck does not asking for American invention have to do with US sanctions for blatantly undemocratic activity that’s been roundly condemned by democratic nations both in the region and abroad?

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              Do you think sanctions on an already struggling nation, for whatever reason, aren’t intervention?

              Why is that Venezuela deserves sanctions when China and Israel, two proven enemies of democracy themselves, do not?

              I’m sure at has nothing to do with brown people having oil reserves in America’s backyard. Not at all 😜

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                Do you think sanctions on an already struggling nation, for whatever reason, aren’t intervention?

                Wait, so sanctions are intervention in your view? Are you willing to stand by that? Because if so, I have a long laundry list of questions to ask you about international affairs.

                Why is that Venezuela deserves sanctions and China and Israel, two proven enemies of democracy, do not?

                Israel definitely deserves it. China probably deserves it but is too economically intertwined for sanctions not to simply backfire - as the ‘trade war’ of the Trump administration showed.

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                  Sanctions are, by definition, interventionism, a political act in an attempt to force compliance against free market principles (not that I care all that much about those, mind you, but public American policy says it does)

                  And even disregarding that, do you honestly believe that is all America is doing in Venezuela?

                  To be clear, I have little doubt Maduro is a dictator. I just question why he’s the only one America seems able to take an actual stance against, and what, exactly, we hope to gain.

                  And maybe we should ask ourselves worsening an open humanitarian crisis in a way that always, always affects the poor more than the rich is the right course of action anywhere.

                  (Not counting countries actively invading their neighbors, anyways)

                  And don’t ask yourself where all those refugees are going to go if Venezuela collapses completely…

                  And what political ideology has something to gain from yet another “border crisis”

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                    Sanctions are, by definition, interventionism, a political act in an attempt to force compliance against free market principles (not that I care all that much about those, mind you, but public American policy says it does)

                    If you don’t care about that, why bring it up? Either you do actually care, or you’re blatantly and disingenuously trying to create the appearance of a moral issue regarding the principle when none has been brought up by either party.

                    And even disregarding that, do you honestly believe that is all America is doing in Venezuela?

                    Nah, we’re probably also doing some funding of opposition parties and passing along intel. But believe it or not, even the CIA isn’t a 24/7 coup machine.

                    To be clear, I have little doubt Maduro is a dictator. I just question why he’s the only one America seems able to take an actual stance against, and what, exactly, we hope to gain.

                    Oh, I know, we’re just punishing Maduro. Singling him out.

                    Oh, and Assad. And Putin. And Kim. And Lukashenko. And the Ayatollah regime. And elements in the CAR. And Ethiopia. And Mali. And the Sudan. And Afghanistan. And…

                    And maybe we should ask ourselves if our priority is worsening an open humanitarian crisis in a way that always, always affects the poor more than the rich is the right course of action anywhere.

                    As opposed to enabling the Maduro regime to fund their continued authoritarian state by the main source of income for their government? The same Maduro regime which has been threatening to invade one of its neighbors, no less, for oil?

                    The Venezuelan economy was absolutely fucked before sanctions. After sanctions just means that the government can’t pay off its cronies the way it’s accustomed to, weakening its ability to resist outside influence - whether or their own population or of foreign countries.

                    And don’t ask yourself where all those refugees are going to go if Venezuela collapses completely…

                    My guy, there are already a massive amount of refugees coming in from Venezuela. Colombia is overwhelmed as is. The Venezuelan government is pissed people are running off, and has reacted by tightening its grip further.