• IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works
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    7 months ago

    If that’s how it works, then a stable anarchist society is impossible. The first asshole that comes along with a bigger gun than everyone else will have it right back to a dictatorship.

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          7 months ago

          Their “blood thirst” of not wanting thieves and murderers in their society? You realize that our current society is orders more “blood thirsty” than what we describe but only that you hide the violence through the police and the brutal wars and genocides against other nations?

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        7 months ago

        The free market will regulate itself! We’ll all have open and fair access

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            You’re at the magical thinking “And then of course we will all…” crutch that a lot of philosophies lean on

            Capitalism: We’ll deregulate and open the market to everyone, and then there will be “perfect competition” in a “free market”

            Communism: We have state socialism until society is prepared, and then transition to communism

            Anarchism: We won’t have a central authority to prevent aggression, obviously we will work together as mutual interest aligns. And 100% no roving bands of raiders or warlords will ever ruin our society!

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              We won’t have a central authority to prevent aggression, obviously we will work together as mutual interest aligns.

              Yes, by definition that’s how anarchism works. If if wasn’t like this, it wouldn’t be anarchism. Not sure why this is a difficult concept to handle.

              And 100% no roving bands of raiders or warlords will ever ruin our society!

              Nobody said that external dangers are not a potential issue, but the plan is to oppose them. Not a difficult concept to grasp either.

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                I have fringe anarcho-syndicalist politics, I understand the theory. I also understand that nothing exists in a vacuum, and while our happy anarchy-commune/whatever of 3,000 aligned people may build mutual aid tranquillity in our area, others may not. And those others may choose banditry, and your stuff instead of working for food.

                So our commune/syndicate/etc form a defensive structure/organization to stop/prevent them - you just created a military/police class of “most equals”. Who will need a command structure for doing the ‘gun/bat meet aggressor’ functions, and some kind of special remit from the community. Or we say no dedicated force and the classes it brings, and use the irregulars/militia model instead. Which has so many issues on so many different aspects that’s it’s not worth me typing out.

                Ffs go read Hobbes’ Leviathan

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      7 months ago

      That’s true for all types of society. But it also means that a completely anarchist society is more stable than the rest because the means of self defence are equally distributed and that everyone would rise against such authoritarian attack.

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        the means of self defence are equally distributed

        That has never been, and will never be true. You could magically eliminate all weapons on the planet simultaneously and it still won’t be true, since some people are bigger and stronger than others.

        And in case you haven’t been paying attention to history; authoritarians very rarely just show up out of nowhere and take over. They are usually installed as leader after some form of revolution, then the title just gets transferred once the authoritarian system is in place. It’s usually far more insidious than just some guy the village has to band together to fight off.

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          It doesn’t mean that every person has equal ability to physically defend themselves, but that society has the mechanisms to defend everyone that is being attacked. A grandma doesn’t need to be able to self defend against a thug in the street if the people nearby do it for her.

          The second paragraph is not relevant as there are no historical examples of a dictator getting into power from within an anarchist society.