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Of course nobody wants to work. That’s why we’re paid for it.
I’d work for free if all my basic needs were met
That makes one of us. If all my needs were met I’d surely be doing productive things, but I wouldn’t be doing them for someone else to get rich off of.
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There’s a difference between doing something where the value is shared between everyone and doing something where a few people hoard the value.
Also, I would ostensibly have a way to give feedback in a meaningful way if I were a volunteer instead of an employee.
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I agree. I’d be perfectly content living modestly and ‘volunteering’ my time toward a shared goal. I want to be busy; I just don’t want ethically-questionable or meaningless busy work.
doing productive things
I think that counts as work, unless you’re asking a CEO
There’s lots of productive activities that aren’t work. They’re generally called hobbies.
So would I. I currently work for a public utility and would happily continue even if we had everything covered. Someones got to do it and its satisfying to help out.
From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs. Wouldn’t that be nice.
According to the state of Florida you could have all that and learn valuable skills as a slave!
I love my job and would continue to work even if I win all the lotteries every week.
Your basic needs can only ever be met because other people are doing the labor to make it possible. It’s only fair that you contribute your labor back for other people. Because we can’t barter our arbitrary labor for any other arbitrary labor we might need, we have currency to fill the role of a generic bartering tool.
So no matter how you look at it, you’re working for money.
Your basic needs should be met independently of your work. We can barter about what basic means. (Is a 25m2 apartment and basic food, water, a bed, electricity and the Internet aswell as a device to use it already it?)
So you wouldn’t be working for free…
It is free if you are able to stop working and still get your needs met.
Which very well could, and I’m my opinion should, be the case.
But instead a few dozen billionaires own half of the worlds wealth.
Eat the fucking rich.
But that’s communism /s
Meh. I want to work.
Can’t imagine a life where I contributed nothing back to society.
I just want work that is meaningful and allows me the financial freedom to get sick and not die and be able to stop working when I’m too old to.
I just want work that is meaningful and allows me the financial freedom to get sick and not die and be able to stop working when I’m too old to.
Goodness, sounds like someone caught the socialism bug /s
I’d practically get depressed without work. But it really depends on if you’re doing something you enjoy of course. My job gives me fulfillment, but I realize many/most people are currently just working their asses off just surviving the month.
A better scenario still would be with universal basic income though, so in that utopia all people can contribute however they want. I mainly would work more flexible hours, but perhaps even more in total.
A couple of things.
Nobody wants to work. We want to enjoy our lives. We work as a means to enjoy our lives.
People dream about having a job they like and enjoy, and wish they could get paid for something they have fun doing… No one dreams of having a job for the fun of it.
Most jobs are pointless… in the big scheme of things what the fuck is the point.
People don’t want to be stuck in 5 day work weeks spending the best part of every day working for some bell-end who probably doesn’t know their name.
I’d literally rather not have an office job and have to grow my food and share it with my neighbours when they help with the harvest.
I have a fucking job, purely to buy a house. I live in a place that is waaaay overpriced, and the boxes we get to live in get smaller and more expensive… By the time I’ve saved the deposit and fees for my house I won’t be able to afford it. I’ll have to move somewhere less populated limiting my job prospects.
Meanwhile we have absolute fuck-tards like musk who have more money than sense and something stupid like 80% of people on earth can’t afford to survive 2 months without having a fucking job
Fuck your jobs. Fuck your products and fucking let me live my life.
I work with a guy that works 12 hours a day, six days a week. We’re salaried. He has made his identity being a hard worker. The rest of us put in about 35 hours. Our boss doesn’t mind. It’s crazy to me that he does this.
He might hate his personal life. There was a period of time after my little brother died that I absolutely threw myself into work because it was a distraction. When I was home I had some really dark thoughts.
I love my work, my boss is great, I have flexible hours and make excellent money doing something I genuinely enjoy. I would still rather not work and just tend to my animals/pets and house all day, cook good food, and play games with friends because that would be far more fulfilling
I agree. I lucked out landing an awesome job with a great work environment, friendly coworkers, and a boss who’s involved and easy to talk to and work with, AND in a field I’m passionate about.
But, if I just had the money to own my house and car and stuff… I wouldn’t work there. I wouldn’t work anywhere. It’s ultimately just a means to an end, even if I think the means are much more palatable than some other jobs I’ve had.
would you be doing your current job if your needs are met but you’re not getting paid for it?
I don’t understand the point of this question. Obviously I would not do a job for free, especially if my needs were met. Are you leading into something?
It’s an old career question. Like if you would sit around fixing old cars you should be a mechanic.
It’s a silly question though because no one would answer "If I didn’t have to work anymore I’d go around unclogging random folks drains while they complain about how water tastes. " even if they enjoyed being a plumber.
I’ve had a handful of jobs I found really rewarding and I enjoyed, but not one of them would I do if I want getting paid.
Gotcha, that makes sense. Well I am a software developer and do enjoy writing code and building out databases, so there is a chance I would still do that for free, but it sure as hell wouldn’t be for a corporation’s profit
And yet unemployment is at 3.5% in the U.S.
So who is this ‘no one?’
Those pesky workers who refuse jobs paying minimum or subminimum wage because “It’s not enough to live on” or whiny bullshit like that. Don’t they see the caviar they’re taking from the mouths of hardworking corporate executives by demanding a few more dollars an hour?
Nobody wants to work for nothing anymore.
yeah this, nobody wants to be taken advantage of. Even with record inflation these fuckers are raking in record profits. But also yeah, I hate work. There is no point other than to exist in this capitalist hellscape.
Unemployment only includes people considered “in the labor force”. To be considered “in” the labor force, you have to be employed, employed within the last 2 months, or currently looking for jobs (something like that, it’s been a few years). Labor force participation is currently around 62.5%, so that means about 38.5% plus the 3% unemployment of 62.5% would give us the real rate. Of course, people “not participating” also includes retired people and students without jobs, so there’s that as well.
Historically, the labor force participation is around 62.8%, so tl;dr people are working just fine.
The definitions used to calculate unemployment are tweaked constantly for political reasons. You can’t really compare official unemployment rates from different years. It’s infuriating.
Maybe they’re talking about all the migrants that the dumbass Governor of Florida chased away. They were working, anyway
Nobody wants to work anymore.
This is an dumb thing that dumb people say.
Nobody wants to work for me anymore.
If they actually wanted to do better, this is what they should be saying.
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Interestingly, the ancient Greeks didn’t extoll work, in fact they seemingly despised excess toil.
It should be noted that the rest of the 1999 quote says “They all want to work in front of a computer and make lots of…”
Presumably that ends with “money.” I’d wager every one of these articles is complaining about people not wanting to do some sort of physical labor for a pittance. Damn you lazy young folk! Always wanting better…
Edit: It does, in fact, say “money.” Here’s a Newsweek article that appears to have all those quotes. Most of the articles are taken from people talking about, you guessed it, hard labor. Fruit picking, mining, etc. There’s a few that talk about work ethic and taking pride in your work… Damn you kids for wanting lives and families and such! Do your work and be proud!!!
Imagine my boss’s surprise when he finally upped the wage on our most recent job posting and finally found people who wanted to work.
The way to understand the whole ‘nobody wants to work these days’ rhetoric is: The person using it isn’t paying enough or is otherwise presenting enough red flags that people don’t want to work for them Because this looks bad, they then need to present the situation such that it’s not me, it’s them. They’re lazy. The whole point to saying this shit is to try to shame prospective employees into accepting what you offer, or to shame them for not taking your offer.
One way to understand the times we’re in: If you compare average income in the 1930s (normalized to 2023 dollars) to average income today, believe it or not today’s average income buys you less than 1930’s average income did. If you do the same math to 1960s money, today’s median wage has less purchasing power than the minimum wage did in 1968.
There has been one time in the last century when a high-school educated worker could get an entry-level job and be able to afford a home and be able to support a family on a single income, and it was the 1950s and 60s. That timeframe owes its existence to the New Deal, and to the postwar fiscal policies (including high top marginal tax rates and public investment in technology, infrastructure, science, etc.) of the early post-war era. The people so desperately trying to restore the 1950s seem to be trying to get there by un-doing the civil rights era, as if the squeeze on labor’s buying power today wasn’t the straightforward product of rolling back the New Deal, busting unions, gutting antitrust regulation, and restoring oligarchy rule.
If we don’t force people to work themselves to death for shit wages that barely cover needs, nothing would get done because nobody wants to work!!
Maybe, nobody ever wanted to work and capitalism is a failed system that only serves to benefit those who have a lot of money already.
I prefer to say that capitalism was an essential stage of human society that it is now time to move past.
Man, people even didn’t want to work before they invented work. This has nothing to do with capitalism!
Capitalism tried to convince people to work by rewarding you, but late stage capitalism fucked even that up.
That’s capitalist speak for:
“we can’t exploit our workers as much!! >:(”
Damned youth
Could we get citations on each of these dated “examples”, hmm?
God, remember the dated year of 2022? So long ago. I barely remember it.
In other words, no, look it up yourself, I don’t deal with sealions.
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Maybe next time you’ll recall that the onus is on the claimant, not the audience, cupcake.
There’s no onus to cater to morons asking bullshit questions in bad faith, but nice try.
And yes, calling a 2022 example of something that is commonly said ‘dated’ and acting like it’s some great and mighty shock that people have been saying this for years makes you either a moron, or asking questions in bad faith.
We’re done here.
New problems often aren’t new.
