The mods of all the major communities there remove comments criticism Hexbear and usually follow it up with a ban. It’s absolutely clear what is happening and it shouldn’t be allowed to continue.

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    I’m all for defederating Hexbear, but lemmy.ml is absolutely huge compared to Hexbear. To motivate the community to do that you’d need quite a bit of proof. Or at least something rather compelling. Do you have any proof of what you’re referring to?

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      Asking for proof of what is an open secret on lemmy seems disingenuous.

      I think that instances like hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml are very bad advocates for Lemmy and will most likely end up damaging it more than anything else, keeping the “normies” out.

      They argue in Bad faith, say the most radical stuff they can think of, and purge anything bad said about totalitarian regimes they idolize. China, Russia, Iran, all considered victims of the evil west…

      • Uyghur camps > not happening
      • Tiannamen square > Just some peaceful protests
      • invasion of Ukraine > NATO forced Russia to do it
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        I was banned from lemmy.ml for posting a meme about the fact that gay characters are removed from movies in China. Not even by a mod. By an admin. I’m not remotely surprised they’re pro-shitheap in general

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          There is an admin on lemmy.ml that seems to be banning anyone who says anything negative about China. If I’m thinking of the right person, they are also a large contributor to the Lemmy codebase. That person is why I stopped donating to the Lemmy devs.

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            This kind of stuff is making me consider stopping my donations to the Lemmy project, and instead donating to the Sublinks drop-in replacement developed by the programming.dev instance admins

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              Hey, I’m the founder of Sublinks. It’s a huge collaboration of several major Lemmy instances like lemmy world, beehaw, discuss.online, programming.dev, and quite a few others that wish not to be named until the release.

              Some admins are directly working on the project while others are providing other types of support. @Ategon@programming.dev is certainly a major contributor and has helped develop the new front end in many major ways. You can follow some progress updates here: !sublinks@discuss.online

              We have several different teams of developers:

              1. API / Java
              2. Front-end / JS/CSS/HTML
              3. Federation / GoLang
              4. Libraries / JS
              5. Requirements gathering and organization
              6. Design & Graphics - UI/UX
              7. Lemmy to Sublinks migration tools

              There is an active community on Matrix where all of us chat: https://matrix.to/#/#sublinks:discuss.online if anyone is interested in joining. We also have weekly touch bases to discuss progress and next steps. There are tons of people contributing.

              We are currently taking donations only through Github: https://github.com/sponsors/sublinks if you’re truly interested. We’re all working on this part-time in our free time and making fantastic progress.

              Let me know if you have any questions!

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        Hexbear loves to dogpile as well. I’ve seen a couple of raiding threads linking to other threads in Lemmy.ml making fun of whoever. But in reality they’re just directing people over there to shit on someone. At least, that’s what I saw last year, so I’m very distrusting of them.

        That and the Lemmy.ml AMA thread where one admin was all buddy buddy with Hexabear users during their federation.

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          I abandoned an old account because Hexbear bullies followed me around and downvoted everything. Come to think of it, I haven’t posted a single thing since then, and I had a bunch of posts with hundreds of votes.

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        I would like to see proof of how a community doing its own thing of sharing their radical views on their instance is damaging.

        I haven’t seen any rampant behavior of lemmy.ml users going to other instances and dogpiling certain posts or comment section. That may be defederation worthy.

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          The denial of having seen it yourself, is something I don’t believe. Therefore I don’t believe you made your reply in good faith.

          Not all of lemmy.ml is a cesspool filled with poisonous cretins, but they (tankies) control the instance at conversational, moderation and administration level. So it will not change, only get worse.

          Just like we see with the MAGAts… Once you start drinking your own coolaid… the sky is the limit.

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            The denial of having seen it yourself, is something I don’t believe.

            If it’s so rampant that you find it unbelievable I haven’t seen it, then it must be very easy to prove. Can you please provide a proof?

            but they (tankies) control the instance…

            It’s their instance. That’s not proper grounds for defederation in my opinion, when the damage is contained within their instance.

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              As I stated in my preface, no thank you.

              And if it is contained in their instance… it does not matter that the borders are guarded by deFederation.

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                No worries. I never expected you to have the proof anyways, but I wanted readers to be aware that you don’t.

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                  That’s fair. I think most people can make up their own minds looking at the thread, posts contents and then their own experience in the .ml scape compared to the rest of Lemmy.

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        IF lemmy.ml is admin’d by the Lemmy devs, themselves,

        AND their ideology/prejudice is being obstructed by the Lemmy-verse,

        THEN wouldn’t it be rational for them to engineer-in to Lemmy, itself, protections for their ideology?

        Breaking the Fediverse’s ability to “manage” them?

        or breaking the Fediverse’s ability to have any alternative-ideology be its core??


        I’m thinking they could either adulterate privacy, deliberately, or they could force blocking to be porous, or something…


        IOW, I’m thinking that it is strategically-incompetent to allow tankies to own our core tech, exactly as it is strategically-incompetent to allow right-wing highjackers-of-our-countries to do so.

        ?

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          They could, but it’s open source software. People can just fork it and not follow along such self destructive paths.

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            Yes, but for example if everyone is running the mainline code, and .ml decides they are going to run a version which does not respect federation updates under certain conditions, they could quietly poison the entire fediverse by spoofing updates from other instances. It’s very obvious that they are already selectively federating their modlog, for example. And some other instances already play games with how votes get reported. There is a lot of trust baked into the federation updates, and nobody knows how to exploit that better than dessalines, who is clearly very interested in using the platform to push a specific ideology.

            I am absolutely in favor of forking Lemmy to get this out of their hands, fwiw. Specifically for this reason. I think they’ve shown that they are not above poisoning the code base exactly like this.

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        This is less about the instance as a whole. The !worldnews@lemmy.ml mods are notoriously terrible. It’s best to just avoid the community altogether.

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        Lmao I’ve also been banned by rimjob from World News over the stupidest shit. And yes, he did cite some bullshit even thought I was clearly within the rules and arguing in good faith. How dare someone stand their ground against Bruce Almighty from World News! Not surprised.

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          I had a bunch of reasonable posts deleted from World News. I just blocked it but defederating would be way better because then we can rebuild a healthier news community somewhere else.

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        While I agree that hexbear generally sucks, they and I do at least have an enemy in common. That ban is not so undeserved as I was led to expect.

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          Is your common enemy the People? Because Hexbear promotes authoritarianism and genocide denial.

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            Tankies say all kinds of stupid things, but even if we grant the thus-far unproven assumption that the person being addressed there is among them, when they’re telling nazis to fuck off that is not an appropriate moment to try and start a pointless fight by asserting that they’re wrong about every single thing.

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              It’s not about being wrong or right, it’s that their instance culture is aggressive, immature and arrogant from what I’ve seen. Those meme threads are done obnoxious circlejerks, dear god, I hope they’ve grown out of that at least.