• Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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    I got banned from one of the communities for simply saying I thought both socialism and capitalism won’t work without more nuance and blending.

    I always figured the snowflakes were really the far right… But no, it’s both extremes, apparently.

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      If you can’t examine real world examples of your philosophy critically, you’ve no business in the debate. Tankies aren’t willing to hear about the flaws apparent in the system any more than your average thin blue bootlicker will.

      I say this as someone who makes guillotine “jokes.” Definitely jokes.

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      Socialism is just democracy extended into the workplace. Saying pure socialism won’t work is arguing against democracy.

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        I will always argue against pure democracies. People are not invested enough to provide a coherent opinion on 100% of the solutions our societies require for survive and thrive.

        A vote over the use of chemicals for water treatment could easily end in their permanent ban. Hell, with the right malicious intent, someone could easily get dihydrogen monoxide banned from crop fields.

        A pure democracy is how Idiocracy becomes a reality. Now, a mix, such as a republic electing the careful use of democratic socialism… Sure!

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          That isn’t how it works. It’s like if you’re a part of a cooperatively run business, then you get equal say in workplace practices. There isn’t a ‘boss’ dictating the rules to you.

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        Socialism is authoritarian. There’s no democracy in socialism.

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          The definition of socialism is workers owning the means of production. That means democracy in the workplace. Worker’s councils. Equal representation. Majoritarian politics.

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        I honestly had no idea before I came to Lemmy.

        I actually really enjoy a lot of the facets of socialism and communism… Most people would easily mistake my independent political position as “left”, especially since I strongly oppose the current GOP.

        But here in Lemmygrad, I am apparently quite the villain for suggesting some extremist, far-left policies are toxic.

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      The political spectrum is a circle. Extremists might latch on to different BS but personality types of extremists on all ends are essentially the same. Loud hateful aggressive assholes lacking the intelligence to understand nuance.

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        It appears the leftists would like you to stop saying unkind things about them. I guess it’s good we’re not in one of their specific communities, eh?

        Way to prove the meme right, extremists.

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          Perfect example above of not being able to read or understand nuance.

          Yea, that’s more of a self-report on your end if you can’t comprehend nuance and think absolute rejection of classist hierarchy and absolute adherence to classist hierarchy** are the same positions**.

          Extremists might latch on to different BS but personality types of extremists on all ends are essentially the same.

          If you tried actually reading, you would have noticed how I in fact said the exact opposite. I never claimed they were the same, I specifically mentioned they may latch on to different things/positions. What I said instead was that they had the same personality type.

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              No actually I am most definitely correct. You are either just too biased to accept it or can’t separate viewpoints from personality types and behaviours.

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                  There we go, perfect example of extremists making discriminatory statements and unable to engage in discussion. I care about politics plenty, I just don’t subscribe to one dimensional propaganda not supported by data.

                  Protip: attacking everyone who doesn’t share your extremist and hateful views doesn’t really make you look any better or change their mind. But I do get it gives you an outlet to be channel all your hate and blame others when you are just too dumb to understand nuance.

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        I think people confuse “liberal society” with “liberal capitalism” and think if you have 100% socialism then you don’t even own a toothbrush or something