You seem to be glossing over the fact that this “something they they didn’t want to sign up for” was literally the abolition of slavery. Slavery as in people are property, they have no rights, and to use your words, they were signed up for something they didn’t want to sign up for - for life.
But no, let’s mourn with those poor slaveowners, who were forced by the Yankees to give up their right to - checks notes - own people to regain their own voting rights after a failed secession over this same issue.
Why the fuck am I arguing the morality of slavery with you? Good luck raising the south or whatever. I know it’s tough these days making sure only good ol’ boys can vote
Actually what was happening is you said a system where even the majority vote for something is a bad system, the only possibility is everyone has to vote.
Then to prove your point you used an example where a minority changes the rules for everyone.
Lol it was just terrible a terrible argument because you proved my point but you are too far down the rabbit hole to admit you fucked up.
Let me say it slow: tolerance paradox. Intolerance can’t be tolerated. The right to deny another person’s rights isn’t a right, it’s oppression.
Early on I thought this might be good conversation. I offered slavery and the civil war as a counter point to illustrate why the whole “yesterday’s citizens decided who today’s were, and today’s citizens decide who tomorrow’s will be” idea is a faulty one, but you jumped right in the pig sty because apparently granting voting rights to freed slaves in the South was an anti-democratic move. That’s both immoral and illogical. So yeah, we’re done here. get blocked
No I was saying you was saying not having everyone allowed to vote is undemocratic.
People in starship troopers have the right to vote, everyone has the same right. It just has to be earned. They see a vote as something of value and not to be given away to someone that doesn’t care about it.
But in your example white men chose to give the vote to more people and men chose to give it to women. So the few can choose to expand the vote to others that may disagree with. That’s against what you said with those with the vote will make it harder for others to vote.
You seem to be glossing over the fact that this “something they they didn’t want to sign up for” was literally the abolition of slavery. Slavery as in people are property, they have no rights, and to use your words, they were signed up for something they didn’t want to sign up for - for life.
But no, let’s mourn with those poor slaveowners, who were forced by the Yankees to give up their right to - checks notes - own people to regain their own voting rights after a failed secession over this same issue.
Why the fuck am I arguing the morality of slavery with you? Good luck raising the south or whatever. I know it’s tough these days making sure only good ol’ boys can vote
Good strawman.
Actually what was happening is you said a system where even the majority vote for something is a bad system, the only possibility is everyone has to vote.
Then to prove your point you used an example where a minority changes the rules for everyone.
Lol it was just terrible a terrible argument because you proved my point but you are too far down the rabbit hole to admit you fucked up.
Let me say it slow: tolerance paradox. Intolerance can’t be tolerated. The right to deny another person’s rights isn’t a right, it’s oppression.
Early on I thought this might be good conversation. I offered slavery and the civil war as a counter point to illustrate why the whole “yesterday’s citizens decided who today’s were, and today’s citizens decide who tomorrow’s will be” idea is a faulty one, but you jumped right in the pig sty because apparently granting voting rights to freed slaves in the South was an anti-democratic move. That’s both immoral and illogical. So yeah, we’re done here. get blocked
No I was saying you was saying not having everyone allowed to vote is undemocratic.
People in starship troopers have the right to vote, everyone has the same right. It just has to be earned. They see a vote as something of value and not to be given away to someone that doesn’t care about it.
But in your example white men chose to give the vote to more people and men chose to give it to women. So the few can choose to expand the vote to others that may disagree with. That’s against what you said with those with the vote will make it harder for others to vote.
History shows that to be false.