Themes and dialogue? It pretty clearly favors the more anti-authoritarian forms of socialism while heavily criticizing communism and fascism. The ultra-liberals come off the best of the lot but it’s also made clear that they offer no solutions to the problems the city has and capital will always call the shots at the expense of workers.
Also, on a meta level, the creators got screwed over by capitalists because that’s just what a scorpion will do if you give it a ride across a river.
I also liked that it doesn’t say that all followers of an ideology are good or bad people. A lot of media that tries to tackle ideologies just make everyone in the general direction of an opposing ideology horrible people. In Disco Elysium is not as black and white. There are good and bad people in every broad ideology. Are you a bad person, just because you believe in capitalism? No. Are you a good person, just because you believe in communism? Also no. Disco Elysium is very nuanced while making it’s cases.
There was a good Royalist? I’m guessing you mean Rene, because it sure wasn’t Gary the Cryptofascist or Measurehead or the Racist Lorry Driver. Imo the only thing that stopped Rene from becoming someone like Dros were his relationships with Gaston and Evrart. If he had been “alone” the way Dros was then the investigation may have gone quite differently
It’s very reminiscent of the Paris commune, where Parisian pre-marxist socialists were killed almost to the last by the french army after they’d built a short-lived commune. It was basically the end of the Proudhonist idea of socialism (no gods, no masters), which provided space for Marxism to take over in France and particularly in Paris.
Also, on a meta level, the creators got screwed over by capitalists because that’s just what a scorpion will do if you give it a ride across a river.
Or maybe they were really good at coming up with stuff, but really bad at managing projects. And when the organization grew to more than a few people they couldn’t handle it anymore and couldn’t deliver on what they had committed to.
Everyone has a story in this particular screw up, and while I really would like the moral to be “capitalism bad/creatives good”, it sounds like your average SME implosion.
There’s a lot to be said about these dramas always being more complex than an outsider can fully understand, not to mention no one having time for 2 hour YouTube deep dives on video game drama, but I think ultimately the result speaks for itself.
An artist collective created an amazing game with real staying power in the industry, and then the business majors forced all them out and didn’t even manage to keep pumping out mediocre products in the process, much less more greatness.
That’s why I’ll never understand the kneejerk bootlickers, the corporate ghouls weren’t even good at being ghouls! They killed the goose and then burned the meat! They could have exploited those nerds for DECADES!
Themes and dialogue? It pretty clearly favors the more anti-authoritarian forms of socialism while heavily criticizing communism and fascism. The ultra-liberals come off the best of the lot but it’s also made clear that they offer no solutions to the problems the city has and capital will always call the shots at the expense of workers.
Also, on a meta level, the creators got screwed over by capitalists because that’s just what a scorpion will do if you give it a ride across a river.
I also liked that it doesn’t say that all followers of an ideology are good or bad people. A lot of media that tries to tackle ideologies just make everyone in the general direction of an opposing ideology horrible people. In Disco Elysium is not as black and white. There are good and bad people in every broad ideology. Are you a bad person, just because you believe in capitalism? No. Are you a good person, just because you believe in communism? Also no. Disco Elysium is very nuanced while making it’s cases.
There was a good Royalist? I’m guessing you mean Rene, because it sure wasn’t Gary the Cryptofascist or Measurehead or the Racist Lorry Driver. Imo the only thing that stopped Rene from becoming someone like Dros were his relationships with Gaston and Evrart. If he had been “alone” the way Dros was then the investigation may have gone quite differently
It’s very reminiscent of the Paris commune, where Parisian pre-marxist socialists were killed almost to the last by the french army after they’d built a short-lived commune. It was basically the end of the Proudhonist idea of socialism (no gods, no masters), which provided space for Marxism to take over in France and particularly in Paris.
Or maybe they were really good at coming up with stuff, but really bad at managing projects. And when the organization grew to more than a few people they couldn’t handle it anymore and couldn’t deliver on what they had committed to.
Everyone has a story in this particular screw up, and while I really would like the moral to be “capitalism bad/creatives good”, it sounds like your average SME implosion.
“Hey, all the creators keep saying this went down, but I do love the taste of corpro cock, so I’m just going to make up my own version.”
It’s been pretty widely documented from all sides. You might want to widen your reading habits if you think it’s cut and dried.
It’s very much not.
Also “taste corpro cock”? Are you twelve? Isn’t it past your bed time?
Widely documented that all the creatives blame a corporate takeover, yeah, bootlicker.
Not all. Just three. Actually, two. And one of them has mellowed quite a lot in the last year or so. So just one.
Out of the tens of people that were involved with that game.
You are coming at this from a place of prejudice. Just listen.
I did listen, and said “Hey, this useful idiot is lying!”
Btw:
https://videogames.si.com/news/disco-elysium-dev-zaum-layoffs-last-writer-speaks-out
Not to me, to the “creatives” you claim to love so much. Or do you only listen to “creatives” whose last name is “kurvitz”? Talk about sucking cock.
Lul, yeah, just the one guy.
Hey, when your boss fucks your wife, does he let you watch or do they make you listen through the wall?
How did the creators get screwed over?
There’s a lot out there about this, you’d be better off searching for articles or videos on the topic.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1auprxl/whats_the_deal_with_disco_elysium_review_bombers/
There’s a lot to be said about these dramas always being more complex than an outsider can fully understand, not to mention no one having time for 2 hour YouTube deep dives on video game drama, but I think ultimately the result speaks for itself.
An artist collective created an amazing game with real staying power in the industry, and then the business majors forced all them out and didn’t even manage to keep pumping out mediocre products in the process, much less more greatness.
That’s why I’ll never understand the kneejerk bootlickers, the corporate ghouls weren’t even good at being ghouls! They killed the goose and then burned the meat! They could have exploited those nerds for DECADES!
I hate to break it to you but communism is stateless. If you have a state, it’s not communism, it’s socialism. All communism is necessarily anarchist.
It most likely isn’t socialism either. However it could have a communist economic system, it is just very likely to be massively corrupt.