Edit: It’s funny how many people are interpreting this as about unity or working together. I interpreted it as about dreaming big and working long term to make the dream dream happen.

I mean, look at abortion. I was born only a few years before Roe v Wade. For most of my lifetime, people were saying Roe v Wade was settled law. I remember people saying it was impossible to make abortion illegal, that there was no reason to worry about it, that the politicians fighting to make abortion illegal and the protesters in front of clinics were just the dying embers of a dead branch of conservatism, and so on and so forth. The conventional wisdom for decades was that the Supreme Court precedent set by Roe v Wade was unassailable and conservatives should just give up and fight the culture war on other battlegrounds.

But you know what conservatives did? They didn’t discourage each other. They didn’t tell each other it was a useless fight. They didn’t tell each other it was a waste of time. They fought for literal generations. They knew the only way to make abortion illegal again was to make the Supreme Court overturn their own precedent. So they fought for fifty fucking years to take over the Supreme Court.

Only a handful of the first anti-abortion crusaders lived to see their victory. Generations of people fought against abortion, lived and died, with victory seeming as far away as ever. But in the end they didn’t give up. They sacrificed. They voted. They donated. They protested. They beat their heads against a brick wall until the brick wall broke. And they fucking won.

Compare that commitment to the people hanging out on this instance who think not eating beef on Fridays for the sake of the environment is too much work.

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    No, they’re winning because they have the support of capital. Under capitalism, money = power. And capitalists will always be far right (see their widespread support of Nazi Germany).

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      “Hitler at least had good economical output” is something I heard from my teacher in highschools lmao.

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        The level of brainwashing in America that good economy = good times is truly absurd. Hiring 100,000 men to build mountains and then tear them down again has much better economic output than war does, because your workers don’t all die constantly, while still keeping all those people employed and spending money. Hitler wasn’t exactly an idiot, but he wasn’t even smart enough to understand that A) being evil is really stupid given how important teamwork is to human successes, and B) he literally could have gotten better results for the German economy by building and destroying mountains.

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          Buddy I know, I’m from that part of the german border they crossed in both world war. Imagine that you’re a person in Belgium in 1914, some serbian killed a guy and russia declared war on germany so you’re getting invaded because they want to go to france. War makes sense /s

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      I think this is a little confused.

      “Capitalists will always be far right” is true, but only because the left-right political scale is largely defined by its relationship to capital (there are obviously other uses of the ‘far right’ label, but I’m speaking from a poli-sci perspective).

      This also happens to help explain why the Democrats also have tons of money, but do very little ‘left’ governing: because capital invests in the part of the democratic party that runs against leftist reform.

      You’re making the right observation, but I think you’ve attributed it to the wrong lables

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        It’s almost like linking an economic model to social policies on a single axis is a deliberately flawed system.

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          No argument, though i’d point out that capital has no problem investing in pro-social politics (Democrats have quite a bit of financial support for progressive social policy); but because capital is in opposition with progressive economic reform (particularly of the anti-capital bent) there is greater tension within the Democratic coalition when there’s a bigger push for economic reform from within the base.

          Which is also why you see so much shade thrown at ‘libs’ from the leftist camp, too, because even though they may agree with leftist reform in principle, they functionally run defense against it on behalf of capital (“x, y, or z reform just isn’t popular/realistic”, ect)

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      Are you really trying to argue that the Democrats are poor? Seriously?!? What an ass backwards take. Both sides have insane amounts of capital. Your comment is meaningless and just more standard “Republicans are bad, mmkay?”