He also said that the danger posed by another Trump term doesn’t excuse Biden from scrutiny but “actually makes him more subject to scrutiny.”
To leftists and progressives fed up with Biden, particularly his commitment to Israel as it continues to bomb civilians in Gaza, the assessment was not just fair — it was obvious. But more centrist Democrats, including those most likely to have appended “Blue Wave” and “Resistance” labels to their social media accounts in the Trump years, were appalled at what they saw as a betrayal by one of their own.
Too fucking bad. They’re accurate and we need to accept them to avoid making the same mistake in the future.
Biden is an absolutely awful candidate, especially if his running mate is Kamala Harris - but if it’s him vs. Trump I’ll vote for him any day.
Democrats need to stop picking the most deeply flawed candidates they can find - Hillary Clinton being such an awful candidate is how we got Trump in the first place.
speaking of which…
How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy
I just read that article and that’s literally why I never wanted that stupid goddamn monster in the race. It wasn’t her fucking turn and she created so much of this mess…it was her goddamn ambition that created and fostered that orange goddamn abomination so she could get her place and turn. Fuck her… Sanders should have been nominated but her bullshit super delegates ruined the country by assuming we’re morons.
Turns out the country is significantly dumber than anyone considered unfortunately…
Whoever leaked those e-mails performed a valuable public service. Unfortunately, they were demonized for it.
I’d never vote for Biden. But I’ll vote against Trump any chance I get.
voting for Jill Stein or Cornel West is voting against Trump AND Biden
Voting for YOUR MOM is also voting against Trump AND Biden.
Except not in a first past the post system. Voting 3rd party is just a vote for whichever of the two main parties you like least. Sucks, but that’s reality.
this is election misinformation. votes for so-called third parties are counted as votes for those candidates. only votes for Republicans get counted as Republican votes and only votes for Democrats get counted as Democrat votes.
It’s not misinformation to state how things end up functioning in practice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger’s_law?wprov=sfla1 It’s a well known thing for anyone who’s studied the tiniest bit of political science (or you know, was around in 2000 for that US election).
The way the votes get counted only matters insofar as their tangible real world outcome. The fact that your individual vote went to a specific third party or even abstaining ends up being irrelevant. The outcomes are the same and the party you prefer least is more likely to win. Again, I’m not advocating that this is a good system, but it is our current reality and stating that to be misinformation is ignorant at best or straight up manipulative propaganda at worst.
>The way the votes get counted only matters insofar as their tangible real world outcome. The fact that your individual vote went to a specific third party or even abstaining ends up being irrelevant.
this sounds like misinformation AND voter suppression: telling people their vote won’t count.
shame on you.
I won’t disagree with you that it is voter suppression in the sense that it supresses votes for third parties, but I didn’t set up the system so maybe channel your anger towards more productive means other than shooting the messenger. The way things stand today, that’s how the math works out if you care to check the link I shared.
i’d say telling people their votes won’t count is shitty, especially when they are literally counted.
We’re not talking “literally” a vote for the major candidate you like least. We’re talking “mathematically” a vote for the major candidate you like least.
Since FPTP voting systems like the US employees do not require any candidate to achieve a majority, FPTP systems eventually decay into two major parties, and voting for a third party after that decay is a vote against your own interests.
Here’s a young CGP Grey explaining it beautifully 12 years ago.
mathematically, the vote goes +1 to the candidate for whom you vote. the rest of this is storytelling.
No shit the +1 goes to the candidate for whom you vote. No one is disputing that. The problem is, the third party candidate will not win.
In a FPTP system that has devolved to two parties, without a major political upheaval bringing about the death of one of the two parties, there are, realistically, only two candidates who have a chance of winning the election.
If you vote for neither of those two candidates, the candidate it benefits the most is the major candidate you agree with the least. This is called the “Spoiler Effect.” This is Nader taking sufficient votes from Gore in 2000 to hand the election to Bush, because Green Party voters would have, given something like the Alternative Vote or Ranked Choice Voting, ended up mostly being Gore votes.
This is Teddy Roosevelt running independent in 1912 and getting Woodrow Wilson, an extremely racist shitbag, elected president by taking Republican voters away from Taft.
And we all understand this effect, because when it looked like Trump might lose the primary in 2016 and was threatening to run anyway, Democrats were thrilled because it would guarantee a Democrat win by splitting the conservative vote.
This “Spoiler Effect” is what is meant when someone says that voting third party is a vote against your own interests in a FPTP system. It’s the major reason FPTP is a terrible voting system.
>This is Nader taking sufficient votes from Gore in 2000 to hand the election to Bush, because Green Party voters would have, given something like the Alternative Vote or Ranked Choice
Voting, ended up mostly being Gore votes.
gore won that election. the supreme court appointed bush.
>This “Spoiler Effect” is what is meant when someone says that voting third party is a vote against your own interests in a FPTP system.
voting for biden or trump is explicitly voting against my interest. my interest is in neither of them having power.
>the third party candidate will not win.
where did you get your crystal ball?
So is setting yourself on fire, and it’s an equally bad idea.
self immolation is not voting
No, it isn’t. It’s abstaining.
Congrats, you were able to exercise your free will and feel good about it. Hope you enjoy the consequences.
He isn’t a HORRIBLE choice. He has a good chance of beating Trump and hasnt done a lot of bad things during his time. I would like someone younger and more progressive, but both sides edge towards the center.
He had a surprisingly productive term but he’s clearly showing his age and should be stepping back as he promised during the last election. I love the shit out of Bernie Sanders but at this point he’s too old to hold an office like president… this is a hard job and both the candidates in this cycle are clearly not as sharp as they once were.
His term has been wildly productive and done more good than any president in my lifetime.
But he’s also taking the exact wrong stance on Israel right now, combined with the typical democrats being fucking garbage at messaging, and the media helping Trump every step of the way.
I disagree with Biden about Israel, but it’s genuinely a hard decision. He thinks it’s more important for the US to be seen aiding an ally who suffered a sneak attack. Disagree with him about it, hate him for it, but he has a very good point.
Contrast that with Donnie’s declaration that he’d let Russia attack Europe.
We should have been harsher on Israel for the apartheid government starting decades ago. Many presidents and many congresses are to blame for that failure.
“I sat it out when asked, It’s my turn now”
Unfortunately it’s not exclusive to one party, (un?)fortunately the election cycles hasn’t made us pick the winner of the “Nth Generation Political Hack” bracket yet
Biden’s been a great president. I talk to young Democrats who dislike him. They don’t know anything about his accomplishments. Judging him in that fashion isn’t even on their radar. They are expressing a vibe they get from those around them.
Biden’s a hero. He beat Donnie and he made the win stick after the election. That was harder than he made it look. If the president of the US is staging a coup he’s got a lot of strings he can pull, and even a dumb guy like Donnie understands that much.
And Harris, the young men dislike her and they don’t know anything about her. Anything. They’ve never even heard her talk. It feels suspiciously like attitudes towards Hilary Clinton, except at least people had seen Clinton in action.
Biden has been a great President and really seems true to what he said he would do. My biggest complaint is also Harris - as in Biden said he would be the centrist attempting to bring things together (and he tried harder than I would have) but the goal has to be to help establish a new generation of leadership, including actual liberals and progressives. Yeah, it not all on him but I don’t see how any have stood out. Harris had the home court advantage but why aren’t we seeing her as the presumptive heir?