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    Something I don’t get, why is it percentage based? I mean, I get it from the waiters perspective. But as a customer? Whether my one plate of food is 20$ or 200$, he did the same thing. Scaling with more items or time spent would seem more appropriate.

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      Well usually more people means a higher bill, more people is more work. Lots of places even just add gratuity to the bill once a group size is large enough.

      But tipping is dumb, and working in the service industry sucks… I have no easy solutions.

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        I have no easy solutions.

        There’s an easy one that could be legislated tomorrow by any states.

        Raise minimum wages and enforce it throughout ALL workplaces, including wait staff. Nobody should be earning less than a living wage just because they’re restaraunt staff.

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          Nobody would work in a restaurant for minimum wage. Full stop. It’s a shit job.

          That’s the secret nobody in the industry wants to tell you. They make way more than minimum wage on good nights. You could come away at $25-30/hr on a Friday night.

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            Absolutely. it’s a bad precedent.

            Minimum wage staff still get tips though. I still tip here now that it’s mandatory they get paid min wage. Overall, means that they make more than before they were earning min wage as well.

            it’s a big win. They ge ta living wage doing their jobs and they get bonuses in tips on top of their living wage instead of relying upon it.

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            Which is what workers at McDonald’s in other countries make per hour, not including benefits. Oh, and the food is cheaper than in the states too.

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          Seattle’s minimum wage is $16.28, but most restaurants seem to pay a fair bit more than that. Tipping is still rampant and has not been reduced. I don’t think this solution would work

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          Politics is one of those things that’s easy when you say it, but much harder for you to do. But if that’s easy for you to do, then please do it, for all our sakes.

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        I think the $20 vs $200 was a per person price. Like, if I order the steak for $50 and you order a grilled cheese sandwich for $8, we both got the same amount and quality of service, why do we tip differently?

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      Because it’s a con, and if it were a flat rate, people would see it for the con it is. By making it a percentage of sales, you can delude people in to believing they’re going to make more in tips than they would on an hourly rate.

      Sometimes that’s true, for the vast majority of servers it isn’t.

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      I see it as a sneaky incentive from management for waiters to upsell you on more sides, drinks and desserts.

      Since the more marked up extras a waiter/waitress can fool people into getting, the better tip they can hope to earn at the end because of the %-based expectation.

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          Not every meal in a “$x/plate” restaurant is gonna cost the same though. It’s not hard to reach a disparity between the cheapest and most expensive reasonable meal (similar sizes) of around a factor of 2 at many restaurants.

          Why is the server getting twice the tip if I order the most expensive plate and dessert vs cheapest plate and dessert?

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      If you’re getting the same level of service at a restaurant serving $200/plate meals as you are at TGI Fridays, either you’re being ripped off of your local Fridays has amazing servers.

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      Serving a $200 meal requires a lot of knowledge and physical skill that the server down at Chili’s probably doesn’t have. The kind of restaurant that sells a $200 meal also has a larger support staff that must be given a percentage of the server’s tip

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        You’re not wrong, that’s the logic behind it. It’s not like you’re defending it so idk why you’re getting down voted! What you also didn’t mention is that at these restaurants is that it is a much more leisurely meal and experience, so there isn’t high table turnover which lessens the tips. I suspect they also have smaller sections.

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        You’re the only one who gets it.

        Everything is probably a la carte. You gotta know what is in every dish, what pairs with it from appetizers to sides to wine to dessert. You don’t walk out and ask “who had the cheeseburger?” because the expectation on the experience is higher. You’re controlling the timing at the table as well. When do you fire the main after they get the appetizer? Salad? Bread? Drinks? Which SIDE of the person do you give or remove plates? And yeah you gotta tip the bartender, the bussers, the expediters sometimes, and who knows who else.

        It is still horseshit, but it’s not as easy as dropping a rib basket on the table.

        Be mad about the tip line on the sandwich shop menu, be mad about 20% tip on the burger joint that has a modern industrial interior and a $22 burger, don’t be mad about paying out the Friday Saturday night white tablecloth servers with a tough fucking job of conducting your whole anniversary meal. You get to have a good experience once a year, they’ve got 15 other once a year meals to solve and it’s just a regular dinner shift.

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          I’d say you also shouldn’t be made at the server at the $22 burger place, because they’re also working hard and probably covering more tables. I used to get mad about tipping for counter service because I assumed that they were making standard minimum wage, but then I found out one of my favorite cafes was paying $5 an hour (a dollar less than tipped minimum in my state). Point is, don’t get mad at anyone but the National Restaurant Association, they’re fighting to make sure you’re subsidizing your servers wage.

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          I think you’re looking for the difference between fine dining and nouvelle cuisine / haute cuisine. Think of it like the difference between a nice steakhouse where the server essentially takes your order and gives you a plate, and one of those Instagram dinners where they serve your dessert in hollow chocolate balls and serving is a more involved and delicate process because of the nature of the food you’re serving

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            I have a place down the road that makes guacamole in a molcajete at the table.

            That is way harder and more impressive than pouring a little hot chocolate.

            If you can scam them into paying it then more power to you though.

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      $20 is like, one entree, maybe a beverage at a cheap restaurant. $200 is probably closer to 3 entrees, 2 or 3 cocktails and an app at a moderately priced restaurant. You’re crazy if you think the amount of work for those two orders (putting them into the bar/kitchen, making sure they come out correct, running them, all while juggling your other tables) is equal. I also want tipping culture to end, but the price tag scales pretty well with the amount of work being done.

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        That’s insane. It’s literally the job. Imagine applying this logic to any service industry job.

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          Yeah, I know. As is said, I want tipping culture to end. We’ve created a system where the customer pays for servers salary by the job instead of the restaurant paying by the hour. I’m saying that running a $200 order is more work than running a $20 order, just like bagging $200 worth of groceries is more work than bagging $20 worth of groceries. A percentage tip does roughly reflect the amount of work being done, but acknowledging that isn’t an endorsement of tipping culture.

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        It mostly bothers me when I just order 1 entree and a water. At one place that might cost $10, and at another place it might cost $30, and all the wait staff did was carry a plate from the kitchen to me in both cases.

        It doesn’t seem fair that the wait staff at the more expensive place gets tipped more than the less expensive place just because of an arbitrary custom.

        The extra cost of the expensive meal is mostly due to ingredients, the cooking process, the location, and maaay slightly more complicated table setting.

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          Yeah, I agree, but if you don’t like it, take it up with the National Restaurant Association. They spend millions every year lobbying against ending the tipped wage.

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        Waffle House: feed a family of 4 for $20 Tip: $4 “Fancy” Restaurant: microwaved appetizer $20 Tip: $5

        A percentage scales within an establishment, but not really across them.

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          I’d say that varies more regionally than anything else. I live in a major northeastern city, and you could barely feed 1 person for $20, even at cheap chain restaurants. Drive 2 hours away and things get a lot more affordable, not only for food prices but also rent. In that respect, 20% actually scales with cost of living as well.

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    Keep this garbage out of europe please. i see it popping up. I will absolutely refuse to tip a single goddamn soul at this point going forward.

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    The whole damn system exists to place the burden of a living wage on the customer while the company paying peanuts can claim no wrongdoing. And the really sad part is: it has worked.

    Edit: and there are many, many businesses that wouldn’t be in business if they actually had to pay competitive wages on their own. The invisible hand can fix nothing if tipping culture says to throw more and more arbitrary amounts of money at people to subsidize their wages yourself. At some point (I’d argue we’re past it already), the band-aid needs to get ripped off. Only then will we see self-correction. The almost immediate loss of many businesses will likely trigger other actions. It’s already a no-win scenario.

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        Yes, but one way is on the company first and one isn’t. Would prices go up if these places were paying living wages? Most likely. Many businesses would be insolvent because their business model was simply never designed to pay a living wage to employees. Others could remain solvent, but probably not if they continue to take so much off the top at higher positions.

        And that’s exactly it: the market never self-corrects if we throw arbitrary money in excess of listed prices to solve was is ultimately an issue of business solvency and ethics. There is no economic theory that would support such an idea in any industry, but here we are.

        The sheer number of businesses out of the space might even drive down rents. That’s the kind of thing I mean by “other actions”. But things cannot continue as they are.

        None of this is even to mention the sheer number of people in the service industry who are also on government assistance programs. They have to be – none of the blame is on them. But my tax dollars go to that, plus I am expected to pay extra to subsidize their wages with tips. I effectively subsidize them twice while someone reaps the rewards on their yacht. All I’m saying is the yacht people should be taking the risks first. That’s part of being a business owner.

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          Dude, everyone understands the tipping system, the market isn’t gonna correct if it goes away because you’ll still be paying the exact same amount.

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            I’m not sure what isn’t getting across here.

            Customers subsidize wages with tipping. The amount is ultimately arbitrary and allows business owners to avoid costs.

            The actual cost of the wages is not arbitrary and should be put up by the business first.

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            Dude, everyone understands the tipping system

            This is not true. I’ve visited the USA multiple times and I’ve gotten tipping wrong every time.

            the market isn’t gonna correct if it goes away because you’ll still be paying the exact same amount.

            This is also not really true. You look at a menu in Australia and the price you see is the exact amount you pay. $20 lunch is $20 on the bill. No added tips or taxes or anything.

            For the customer, this system is better.

            Saying that same lunch in the USA would ‘have been $14 on the menu in the USA’ would not match my experience. In fact, prices for most things were in the same rough ballpark once the exchange rate was factored in.

            Caveat: my last visit was 10 years ago. My experience may be out of date. 15% was considered a normal tip, then.

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              I’m sorry you’re a moron, and I don’t take financial advice from people who can’t figure out something as simple as tipping protocol. And quit lying, food is definitely cheaper on average in the states, and greater quantity too.

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                The food is pumped with filler trash, so the quantity is definitely there, but the prices aren’t as cheap as you think, especially for what you’re getting.

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                  Are you a foreign to the USA trucker who spent a good portion of the last 7 years south of the border? No? I am, and know exactly what I’m talking about, intimately familiar with farm/ranch end prices and also wholesale prices as I now own a restaurant. I’m the rare person who’s worked at every end of the food industry and the middle too, as well as being a frequent customer in 22 states and 8 provinces. and very familiar with currency conversions from all the commodity rates, shipping and ordering. Meanwhile you are some fucking guy saying “nuh uh” who likely needs to go to wikipedia to try describe current American farm subsidy policy.

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        The difference is that on slow nights, staff get paid less, which is fucked up.

        The business needs to wear the cost, because they reap the rewards, which is the narrative capitalism supposedly is about.

        Tipping sucks, I’m glad we don’t have it in Australia.

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          Oh look, an Aussie that needs you know that. Yes yes, everything is better there, it has to be, why else would y’all spend so much time trying to convince everyone of it.

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            Tipping does still suck though, and the way it is in many states of the US, slow business literally means employees get paid less, which is pretty fucked.

            Australia certainly isn’t perfect, and don’t let anyone tell you how great Medicare is here because it’s not what it uses to be and slowly but surely slipping into private health insurance hell due to its languishing, but heck, defensive much mate?

            I am glad that I don’t have to deal with tipping. Tipping is trash and seemingly many Americans agree it’s trash.

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              Not defensive, I really don’t care for Australians, they’ve a way of conducting themselves that I find very fucking irritating. New Zealanders i can get along with.

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                I’m sorry for my place of birth, and I’m sorry for liking the fact I don’t have to tip because of my place of birth, I guess?

                This is just a strange internet interaction, but may I suggest not letting people you’re not a fan of them because of their nationality?

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      Tipping is good bc you van pay the employee directly. What needs to change is that tips need to be mandatory and when tips fall short of a living wage the business must pay pay to make up.

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        I agree wholeheartedly! Let’s make tipping mandatory. In fact, let’s add it on to the price of your bill automatically. Better still, let’s just add it onto the menu price. Oh hey, we’ve come full circle.

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        What difference is there to you, then, between “employer pays a reasonable living wage to their employees but raises the prices of the food a bit to accommodate” and “employer pays poverty wages, forcing the customers to pay their employees for them and forcing tax payers to pay up when people earning poverty wages inevitably rely on government programs to simply survive?” If tipping is mandatory, the only people that benefit is the employer since they can simply double dip - spend less money on payroll AND force the customer to make up for your lack of willingness to pay competitive wages. Yes, under current law, employers are supposed to make the difference if tips can’t cover at least minimum wage, but that’s not enforced nearly as much as it should be, which puts the onus on the workers being exploited in the first place, and even then minimum wage in this country is embarrassingly unfit for supporting anybody.

        The more important question to ask is “why am I expected to pay an employee when the money I already give to a business should cover wages in the first place?”

        I’m a tipped employee for my day job. I make a decent base pay, but the tips make up for that in spades during busy seasons. I’ve bought my current car with tip money. Despite this, I fully support getting rid of tips if it meant my livelihood wouldn’t be a gamble depending on factors outside my control, and especially if it meant fewer people had to rely on government assistance and could better provide a livelihood for themselves.

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        A business is free to offer mandatory tipping and they do have to make up the difference if its not the minimum wage. The minimum wage could be higher of course.

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      “No need to worry, citizen! We have once again successfully avoided a recession by changing how a recession is defined!”

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      What do you mean? Corporate profits are higher than they’ve ever been!

      /s in case that wasn’t obvious

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      Planet earth’s been on the verge of a recession since 4bya. Various economists have been able to predict a recession every year since the term was invented. Stay safe

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      Recession has a specific definition. Unless you’ve had however many quarters of negative growth or bad GDP or however the fuck economists define it then you’re not in recession.

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        They’ve changed the definition of recession like 5 times in the past 3 years. We’ve had numerous consecutive quarters with negative GDP growth.

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          Based on my quick search I’m assuming by “they” you mean the NBER and by “we” you mean the USA? It seems the rest of us have agreed on the definition being 2 quarters.

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    I just stopped going to places or using services that expect me to tip. I hate the idea of tipping.

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      I look at it as Actual price = menu price + lowest suggested tip + $5 tip awkwardness penalty. So a place near me has a $12 lunch-size sub sandwich that’s really good. But they ask for a 15% tip. So rather than just never eat at my favorite sandwich spot, I regard it as a $18.80 lunch and only buy it on rare occasions or when my company is paying.

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      Going anyway and just not tipping is also a completely acceptable and legally protected option. Sort of like saying ‘no thank you’ to the grocery store check out person asking for charity donations or if you would like to sign up for the store credit card.

      Again, it’s optional. So people can also say ‘yes’ if they want and that’s cool too I guess. Although tipping is inherently harmful to the server’s baseline wage which is a bit problematic, if people want to tip they can and no one is stopping them. And I won’t give them shit about it unless they specifically inquire about it. Since the whole thing is ‘optional’ after all I let them make their own decisions and if tipping gives them a nice release of serotonin or dopamine or something that makes them feel better, who am I to take that from them.

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      This is a valid choice. What isn’t valid is still going out to restaurants, having a gay ol time, and then refusing to tip your server on principle while the owner did nothing and made a killing.

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      Cook at home, we don’t want you there anyways.

      **Gosh I didn’t realize Lemmy was so full of broke assholes hell bent on taking money out of service employees pockets. Very working class of you guys!

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        LMFAO. I love people like you… If you demand everyone stay home… You know what will happen? You won’t have customers in the restaurant. Which leads to less tables, which leads to less wait staff needed. You will simply lose your job. So not only do you not get tips… but you won’t even get your minimum wages.

        Congrats you’re ruining it yourself!

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          To be fair to them, losing the $2 an hour of their actual base pay is hardly a threat. For them, the customers that don’t tip are nothing but extra work that they won’t get paid for. So yeah, they’d probably rather be unemployed than put up with a busy restaurant for next to no pay.

          The tipping situation is busted and I would love to see a more normal compensation picture for the restaurant industry as literally every other industry. However as things are now, the restaurant workers are just downright boned if no tips, and they have essentially nothing to work for if there are no tips.

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          If you’re not tipping, they pay out to the business to serve your table. Most restaurants require their service staff to pay out part of their tips to the cooks and bar. So if you don’t tip, your server had to pay to serve you. Your logic works both ways. If nobody is working at the restaurant, your entitled ass aint getting food. It’s a symbiotic relationship, and the restaurant owners hope you take it out on their server while they pocket insane profits.

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          Bro I work 50 hours a week. If my place closes, another one will open. I’ve worked at at least 15 different places since I’ve been 18. We hate you and resent you for walking in the door, regardless of tipping.

          Literally, just stay home. If you can’t afford to tip, or don’t want to, just stay home.

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            We hate you and resent you for walking in the door, regardless of tipping.

            This is the reason you’ve worked at 15 difference places. You’re shit at your job and keep getting fired. It’s not anyone’s fault except your own that you hate the world. You should hate your boss for paying you like shit… But instead you’re peddling the tip-mentality here so that your wages go up much higher than any reasonable job with your skillset should pay. But right! You hate “us”, the ones that keep your ass afloat and able to pay rent.

            If my place closes

            It’s not yours.

            Literally, just stay home. If you can’t afford to tip, or don’t want to, just stay home.

            Very classist thing to say, no? If someone is poor or simply down for the week and just needs to get some food, fuck them right? They’re not allowed to get food from “your” establishment cause they can’t afford your 50% tip ransom!

            Bro I work 50 hours a week

            Join the club. I done 168 hours per week… Where’s my tip for deploying to Afghanistan? Even separated from the military at this point there’s weeks I put in 60-80 hours at the expense of my family. I don’t demand a tip. Raw hours means nothing. Shit you’re reading my content. You can tip me at bc1qtg5zxzuact47zvsaguns97swn4w3u8qatchgzl for simply talking to me.

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              Here’s my for you tip: don’t behave towards food service workers in a way that will get your food spat in.

              Or do, I’m not a cop.

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              Restaurants aren’t a right. It’s a luxury. And when you take advantage of the luxury, you’re making a restaurant owner very rich. They pay their staff less than $3/hr and they’re expected to pay out to the business for every table they serve. Don’t want to pay for a luxury? Stay home.

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                They pay their staff less than $3/hr

                No they pay their staff whatever minimum wage is… and if that staff gets tips can have some of that credited back to them. When you say it the way you do, you make it out that workers are leaving their job every night making less than minimum wage… which is factually not true.

                Don’t want to pay for a luxury? Stay home.

                If you look at this thread, the majority appears to want to tell you that tipping shouldn’t exist. So if we all stayed home… who would pay those workers? Your demand is not only unreasonable, but makes sure that people would be out of a job.

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              Thank you for your service.

              Now could you please just tip your waitress for your chicken tendies next time you’re out? I mean it’s what, $6?

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                I’m sorry you’ve commented on my comment. I demand a tip. Otherwise I’ll spin up lemmy instances that will troll your account and downvote everything you post (spit in your food, make you wait for your food, serve your food cold, make whatever analogy you want here).

                See how absurd this premise is? Get mad at your boss, not me. I didn’t hire you.

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                  I’m not defending tipping. It’s unnecessary and overcomplicated. I’m defending the wait staff that didn’t make the rules but have to rely on them to live.

                  You can’t hate it all you want, but until we’re ready to actually change it at a core level, the bill the waitress hands you shouldn’t be where you try to make your point.

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                Bro at least send him like ten bucks or something. Buddy went to fucking Afghanistan. I bet you’ve gotten bigger tips for bringing some lukewarm plates of food you didn’t even make to a table 32ft away. And I’m sure you were appreciative of those customers and felt they were doing the right thing, correct?

                So, here’s your chance, do the right thing! Send the $10 to the address they provided. If you do and they post confirmation, I’ll legit tip 100% on the next meal I go out for.

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                  Hey at least it’s transparent since anyone can check the wallet address. So you don’t need to wait for me to post a confirmation (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1qtg5zxzuact47zvsaguns97swn4w3u8qatchgzl). More transparency than we’re getting in this discussion from “career wait staff” who likely get way more than minimum wages and still get tied up in knots that people don’t pay enough in tips (rather than demanding better pay from their bosses). I wonder if these people would be okay making their tips publicly known at the time that people leave the tip… eg, on the check it tells you how much tips your server collected for the night so far and on average for a given pay period). I mean, if it’s being left to me to pay someone’s wages, I should have a right to know how much they’ve collected right?

                  But seriously. I don’t need the money. I do well enough for myself and have no-one but myself to blame if I don’t take home enough money for my family in a given pay period. I generated the address to prove a silly point.

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            Your employers sure love us though, since they invite us in with open arms every single time. And we always, always, pay them then the full price they asked for. We have a great relationship in which we both benefit. Their business adds value to the community and I want to support them, and so I do. And they thank me for it. And I get a delicious cheeseburger.

            So no, I’m not staying home and you can’t do a fucking thing about it. If I happen to walk into your place of work, you will serve me with a smile on your face the entire time too. It’s pretty fucked up and I can’t understand why you do it to yourself. I did for a few years and am thankful everyday I left for greener pastures. You could too.

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        taking money out of service employees pockets

        Doesn’t your employer pay your wage?

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    I remember when I realized tipping is insane (like 15 years ago at a bar). One of my friends was talking the waitress up and she was complaining about another table and the tip she expected. Some quick math worked out to she expected 40%.

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      Keep in mind by doing that she probably raised her tip from your friend by at least 10%. I wouldn’t assume there wasn’t some strategy in that conversation.

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    “Other struggling people are not the enemy”.

    Op is jeff bezos alt account.

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    I don’t really get why the expected percentage went up. 15% was the standard for a LONG time. 20% meant you thought they were great. Now 15 is considered shitty, like an insult, and we’re supposed to do 18 or 25 or 30. Meanwhile prices also went up. Why am I supposed to tip 25% now? Service hasn’t changed.

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    Every time we go to Toronto we go to the same restaurant because they don’t accept tips, they just pay their staff really well. Fantastic restaurant and I love supporting them.

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    It does annoy me slightly when POS systems have placeholder tip amounts but they’re like 18%, 20%, and 25%. Sorry, but I just do the standard 15% in most cases so now I gotta calculate it out in my head.

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    I’ve literally never seen a waiter get angry about not leaving a 25% tip. Can we please avoid manufactured outrage?

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    Why not pay hospitality workers a halfway decent wage, and leave tipping for exemplary service? That’s how it works in the rest of the developed world.