Killed if Ukrainian, Died if Palestinian

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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      What is the lie? These headlines are not edited in any way. Writing suggestive or misleading headlines and/or articles is a key component in manufacturing consent as headlines are by far the most important part of an article which decide even whether people will click on it.

      The most consistent theme we find is that Palestinians keep being “found dead” instead of having being killed.

      None of them use “killed” when talking about the little girl. I presume that’s because she survived the first Israeli attack (hence being on the phone for three hours), was assumed to be alive, and probably died of exposure as far as I can find.

      That means she died of natural causes and israel was not responsible?

      Coverage of Gaza War in the New York Times and Other Major Newspapers Heavily Favored Israel, Analysis Shows

      Major U.S. newspapers disproportionately emphasized Israeli deaths in the conflict; used emotive language to describe the killings of Israelis, but not Palestinians; and offered lopsided coverage of antisemitic acts in the U.S., while largely ignoring anti-Muslim racism in the wake of October 7.

      One typical headline from the New York Times, in a mid-November story about the October 7 attack, reads, “They Ran Into a Bomb Shelter for Safety. Instead, They Were Slaughtered.” Compare this with the Times’s most sympathetic profile of Palestinian deaths in Gaza from November 18: “The War Turns Gaza Into a ‘Graveyard’ for Children.” Here “graveyard” is a quote from the United Nations and the killing itself is in passive voice. In its own editorial voice, the Times story on deaths in Gaza uses no emotive terms comparable to the ones in its story about the October 7 attack.

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      It’s not all people lying, plenty of it is LLMs spreading propaganda. The Kremlin is absolutely thrilled about the anti-Israel protests.

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    I read the BBC article it very conclusively blamed the israelis for her and the others deaths. Both the israelis and the Russians involved in either conflict are cunts…i don’t need to worry about the semantics of the headlines to conclude this.

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      If you don’t need to worry about it why are they consistently using different language for israelis and Palestinians being killed?

      Surely if it doesn’t affect public opinion there would be no need for that.

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      Also it was the leading story on their TV channel where they made it very very clear that both she and the paramedics trying to get to her were killed by fire from Iranian tanks.

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    If they wanted to “manufacture consent for genocide” they wouldn’t have reported the story at all

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      These days it’s done in a way more subtle way than that because people can just discover those things via social media and if they see it as not being reported they suspect the newsmedia for not doing it.

      The manipulation (as exemplified above) is in the consistent use of language with different emotional charge and even the passive or active mode depending on the side (i.e. “the terrorists of Hamas killed x people” when the Hamas does the deed versus “x people died when a building was hit” when the IDF does the deed, this latter being very visibly in the example given here) as well as different levels of implied trust for each side (for example, consistently reporting “such has happenned” when the source is the IDF whilst reporting “the spokesperson of X said that such has happenned” when the source is Hamas).

      If you’re paying attention you will see this shit all over whenever a Newspaper or News Channel is activelly engaged in “opinion forming” as they use the very same differentiated treatment for controlling emotional impact techniques for just about everything, including local politics.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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      That would make them seem too biased. They did that in the past but right now that’s becoming too difficult as everyone is reporting on these massive stories.

      There is a fine line to walk on “reporting on the Palestinian side” while using selective language.

      You must have the feeling that you are informed without actually being informed.

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        Even better, if they don’t report it, then people who read stuff from alternative sources will find that they can’t confirm the reporting in mainstream sources and decide that it probably didn’t happen, at least the way they read it.

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    I’m not sure if it’s manufactured consent or outright propaganda, at least for CNN:

    They include tight restrictions on quoting Hamas and reporting other Palestinian perspectives while Israel government statements are taken at face value. In addition, every story on the conflict must be cleared by the Jerusalem bureau before broadcast or publication.

    Imagine if every broadcast or publication about the war in Ukraine had to be cleared first with the Kremlin. It has a different ring to it when I put it like that, which means I have internalized some of the propaganda myself.

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    By an amazing coincidence all of the 4 “major” Western news outlets cited are from nations whose governments have proclaimed “unwavering support for Israel” and where the locals have the least trust in the Press, in the World.

    Maybe all those things are linked…

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    I subscribe to the WP so I looked up the article about Hind Rajab. The app won’t let me copy/paste it but if you read the rest of the paragraph it definitely does say was killed as were two rescue workers

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      They always report the facts but frame them emotionally starting with the headline. They don’t need totalitarian control of the media, they only need to convince 5-10% to get total control. That’s how propaganda and corruption works in democratic countries.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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      The Twitter post definitely excludes every single mention of her and her family being killed by israel.


      The website article makes zero mention of Hind being killed. It goes as far as excluding her from being killed and then saying “she was found dead”.

      Israeli troops were firing on the car, the teen said in terrified calls to relatives and emergency services. Everyone in the vehicle was killed except her and her 5-year-old female cousin, Hind, she said.

      The family car was found as well with six bodies, including Layan’s and Hind’s.


      it definitely does say was killed as were two rescue workers

      This is also factually incorrect nowhere do they use the word killed for the ambulance personnel.

      On Saturday, 12 days later, the ambulance was discovered, blackened and destroyed. The two medics were dead.

    • Ashyr@sh.itjust.works
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      I mean, people have a right to defend themselves. I would just say all coercive violence is wrong, no matter what form it takes.

      • Sanctus@lemmy.world
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        No, the purpose of society is to supercede the laws of the jungle. If we cannot adhere to civility our chances of self-erradication significantly increase each year. Ask Yemen how their right to self-defence has served them this past decade. The same can now be said for Palestine, and if Republicans get what they want, Ukraine, too.

        War was given mantle as a horseman of the apocolypse with good reason. It won’t be the plagues, famines, and multitudes of death that wipe us out. The last two men on Earth will die in a fist fight between each other.

        • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world
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          No that’s NOT the purpose of society 🤣, the purpose of society is to meet our needs, and no amount of arguing from you is going to change that.

          Human society has succeeded for thousands of years despite violence within its walls and will keep doing so because humans are selfish, evil little goblins who only care about shoveling McDonald’s into their mouths.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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      2/3 civilians killed is what Hamas did on October 7, 373 military to 695 civilians. I recall the BBC describing that as “indiscriminate slaughter”.

      The IDF civilian casualty rate is FAR HIGHER than 2/3. They kill 2/3 women and children and count every man as a “terrorist” because israel is a racist terrorist Nazi state.

      Your comment is not true whatsoever. Anyone that reads the history of the conflict will easily see that israel has been the key instigator of war every single time.

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        Your comment is not true whatsoever. Anyone that reads the history of the conflict will easily see that israel has been the key instigator of war every single time.

        This is why I’m attempting to remain impartial and critical of both sides, to avoid spreading complete misinformation as you have done here.

        https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/arab-israeli-war

        “The United Nations resolution sparked conflict between Jewish and Arab groups within Palestine. Fighting began with attacks by irregular bands of Palestinian Arabs attached to local units of the Arab Liberation Army composed of volunteers from Palestine and neighboring Arab countries. These groups launched their attacks against Jewish cities, settlements, and armed forces.”

        “After Israel declared its independence on May 14, 1948, the fighting intensified with other Arab forces joining the Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate. On the eve of May 14, the Arabs launched an air attack on Tel Aviv, which the Israelis resisted. This action was followed by the invasion of the former Palestinian mandate by Arab armies from Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Egypt.”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calls_for_the_destruction_of_Israel

        “The history of calls for the destruction of Israel is rooted in the prelude to its establishment. Leaders such as Azzam Pasha of the Arab League threatened a “war of extermination” in the event that a Jewish state was established. Prior to the 1967 Six Day War, there was a nearly unanimous consensus among Arab nations aimed at the obliteration of Israel.[7] Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser reiterated calls for the annulment of Israel’s existence in the lead-up to the war. Contemporary discourse from political figures in Iran, including leaders like Ali Khamenei and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, continues to advocate for Israel’s destruction, accompanied by antisemitic rhetoric and Holocaust denial.[8] Islamist Palestinian organizations like Hamas[9] and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad[9] consistently promote the goal of Israel’s elimination, as evidenced by their charters, statements, and actions, such as the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel.”

        I have many, many more examples if you wish to continue spreading misinformation.

        • Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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          After the Zionists decided to steal Palestine and terrorize the Palestinians, the Palestinians found that not okay and resisted

          Wow such a two sided affair. Someone comes into their land and decides to violently steal it. And then the other side fights back. This must mean that both sides are at fault. Another amazing analysis.

          Israel terrorizes and colonizes the west bank, and the people there fight back. This must mean both sides are at fault!

          A very nuanced analysis thank you for your input once again.

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            steal Palestine

            Again, this is misinformation. It’s particularly concerning that you are accusing me of not being nuanced when your uncharitable interpretation of the conflict seems to suggest that Israel never had a right to be there in the first place.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Palestine

            “After an Arab uprising against the Ottoman Empire arose during the First World War in 1916, British forces drove Ottoman forces out of the Levant.[3] The United Kingdom had agreed in the McMahon–Hussein Correspondence that it would honour Arab independence in case of a revolt, but in the end, the United Kingdom and France divided what had been what had been Ottoman Syria under the Sykes–Picot Agreement—an act of betrayal in the eyes of the Arabs.”

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

            “The intended boundaries of Palestine were not specified, and the British government later confirmed that the words “in Palestine” meant that the Jewish national home was not intended to cover all of Palestine. The second half of the declaration was added to satisfy opponents of the policy, who had claimed that it would otherwise prejudice the position of the local population of Palestine and encourage antisemitism worldwide by “stamping the Jews as strangers in their native lands”.”

            Your ire should be directed at the British protectorate for the ambiguity that enabled both sides to feel justified in their believed independence. This initial blunder seems to me to have fostered mutual extremism.